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Bhagavad gita 14:27
« on: January 17, 2012, 07:37:08 PM »
What does Lord Krishna mean by saying:

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And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness, and which is immortal, imperishable and eternal.

Isn't Brahman the First Cause and the Basis of everything?
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Re: Bhagavad gita 14:27
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 09:13:45 AM »
Om Namo Bhagavatae Sri Ramanaya


Since it is the Basis of all and all in itself. There is no other cause.

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Re: Bhagavad gita 14:27
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 11:22:39 AM »
How could Saguna Brahman be the basis of Nirguna Brahman? It's like to say that the mind is the basis of the Self. Is the translation of this verse correct?
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Re: Bhagavad gita 14:27
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 11:44:27 AM »
Does Lord Krishna mean that Brahman is just conception of the mind and He is I am, above any conceptions?
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Re: Bhagavad gita 14:27
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 12:00:25 PM »
So Nirguna Brahman is the basis of Nirguna Brahman. :)

I have always thought that Brahman = Atman = I am.
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Re: Bhagavad gita 14:27
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 01:45:05 PM »

Om Namo Bhagavatae Sri Ramanaya

Dear  ramana1359,


1. Bhagawan says: This is, in a way, like the working of a cinema. (Pls read Spiritual instruction - Chapter II :13 )

2. From the spiritual point of view, there is no world and no creation. Atma alone exists.

3. O Shambhu, I am always the cause and never the effect. I am Saguna on account of being the cause and I am Nirguna
   
when  1 am merged in Purusha." (Devi Bhagavata)


4. "It is the opinion of all Upanishads that only one principle exists and nothing else. This principle is Brahma which is

 consciousness. In creation this consciousness appears in even- body both in perfection and in imperfection. In perfection it is

Kutastha and in imperfection it is Jiva and body. How does perfect consciousness become imperfect ? Because of its

unbeginning Creative Shakti (Srishtishakti), possessed as it is of inscrutable Shaktis. (shAkta commentary of AchArya shrI

satyAnananda sarasvatI)


Nirguna Brahman seems to be Saguna due to the inherent potential for creation which is always and by all SEERS told as ANIRVACHANIYA. Can we describe it? It is the Maya.

May Bhagavan's Grace make you understand it! That is the way.
Otherwise one will be going on seeking more and more words reaching nowhere.

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Re: Bhagavad gita 14:27
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 02:04:39 PM »
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:) That translation from bhagavad gita as it is incorrect :)
Thats why this confusion.

aham pratishtah brahmano hi... i remain established in Self.
where is i am the basis of self here?
tistah ... seated.

Translation in Bhagavad Gita as it is ... it is as per visishtadvaita where Sri Krishna is the supreme personality. They say Sri Krishna is the ultimate, and not Brahman. And they say Brahman is an aspect of Sri Krishna. Sri Krishna is the basis for Brahman. Thats visishtadvaitic theory.

Thank you, srkudai. Thank you, Sri Swaroop. That's what I suspected. :) Now everything is clear. Once again I am witness how important is who is the translator of the Sacred Scriptures. Thank you again.
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