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Jyoti

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Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« on: November 26, 2011, 04:03:59 PM »
As far as m knowledge goes, Bhagavan is the only one who gave this teaching.
Anandamai Ma, Jillellamudi Amma, Papa Ramdas, Paramahamsa Ramakrisha ... non of them teached Atma Vichara.

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Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 05:39:10 PM »
Bhagavan is not the only jnani who advocated  Atma vichara.Swami Gnananada -Tapovanam, Sadashiva Brahmendra, Acharayas of Sankara Mutt-Sringeri and Kanchi, Ulaganatha Swamigal, Vallalar Swamigals etc  all of them who lived in 19th / 20th Century  directed people towards the path of Jnana and stressed the importance of Atma vichara.This sphere is meant for  matured seekers who have mostly discharged their karmas and graduated to  the final stage of  self realisation.

Other saints whom you have listed ,though Jnanis by themselves, gave prominence to Bhakti Marg-path of devotion .Their mission was mass movement  and general upliftment in the religious fields. Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ,deputed Vivekananda to the West to give an introductory course on Vedanat. By sheer coincidence, the day when Vivekananda returned to India, the advent of Bhagavan Ramana to Tiruvannamalai took place. The ripe souls across the world after the orientation given by Vivekananda, were drawn by the power of presence of Bhagavan and initiated into Atma Vichara.

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Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2011, 12:49:23 PM »
Dear Arcsekar,


Your viewpoints are nice.

However I tend to differ on "mass movement  and general upliftment in the religious fields"

Because devotion is not easy and is as difficult as atma vichara -- to trust somebody and have full faith is really really difficult.

Secondly  no spiritual movement is really a mass movement --  because those who continue with japama and devotion is only a small number as it happens with jnana marga.  May be many visist temples,  but they are just visisting.  The deep rooted devotion,  faith and surrender is very rare among all those visitors.

Similary many may speak and read jnana books that are in market,  but only a small number rigourously follow self enquiry.

In a general sense,  any sadhana when continued for a long time,  it will invoke initially lot of mental disturbances,  internal conflicts,  jumping tendency to other sadhana methods etc.   And here persistence is the key factor and that also only very few get.

In short when somebody continues self enquiry for a month,  he will feel the tendency to jump to japa & devotion and vice -versa. Because mind does not want all this,  it just want relaxation.

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Krishna

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Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2011, 01:27:34 PM »

Dear Krisnan,

Both Vichara and Self Surrender (devtion) are equally diffocult. We tend to think that self
surrender is easy. No. One should surrender to the Divine like Sri Ramakrishna. But we are
nowhere near SRK.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2011, 06:26:03 PM »
Atma Vichara is not exclusive. It in inclusive in every Sadhana. Be it Bhakti, Jnana, Karma, Raja Yogas.

One is not different from the other.

One may do a Japam and without even knowing any thing about Atma Vichara, it would still be going on and it need not be the way we understand the same Atma Vichara. One may be doing Yogasanas, and he may not know any thing about Atma Vichara, but still, Atma Vichara goes on and it need not be the same was as we know it to be.

Atma Vichara is not a particular method just as we devotees know it to be. It is like already part of every Sadhana.

Ultimately, what is Atma Vichara, it is a way, a sadhana (Vichara) by which you realise the Truth.

The goal of all Sadhana is one and the same!

The Point of the Hill is just one, even though which ever way you may chose to climb the hill, be it north, east, west or south, which ever way, you travel, you travel upwards and the destination is one and the same!

Salutations to Bhagavan
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Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2011, 07:57:52 PM »
Even though all Gurus may prescribe different Sadhana for each one, They all point out to the same Source!

Electric current is one and the same for all - be it for Bulbs, Fans, etc...

One may eat carrots and the other may eat brinjal. Both derive the same energy though vegetables are different.

Ice Cream Flavours may be different, but the Sweetness is one and the same.

Atma Vichara is not differnet from Bhakti, Bhajan, etc... it is only the Mind that differentiates!

Salutations to Bhagavan

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2011, 09:04:45 PM »
Dear ksksat,

History is replete with  several mass movement in the field of religion and spiritual upliftment. Sankara revived sanatana dharma,Sambandar and Thirunavkkarasar re established Saivism,Ramanujar spread Vaishnavism and best of all Ramana rekindled Atma vichara . If their contribution is not mass movement in religious and spiritual field , what else is? Are you not aware of the proclamation of Lord Krishna-Sambavami yuge yuge-his promise to incarnate whenever values and righteousness decline to re establish dharma. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa used to tell.-virtuous people like a well water can take of your garden,saints are like lakes who can irrigate big fields and when an Avatar comes, he is like a river in flood which make the entire state green and prosperous.
 Perhaps, you conceive that a mass movement should be a huge gathering of people in a place and addressed by person like Anna Hazare .

Your comment that devotion is not easy and difficult like Atma vichara is also not tenable. Devotion comes to most of us very natuarally  and there are different types and levels like Sravanam,Keertanam,Smaranam, Padasevanam , Archanam, Vandanam, Dasyam, Sakyam and the ultimate is Atma Nivedanam-Complete Surrender.The stand point of the sadaka,-the seeker also matters. To Bagavan, Atma Vidya is so easy-athi sulabam

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Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2011, 11:38:52 AM »
Dear arcsekar,
Thanks for your view points.  and  esp. the way of explaiing the beauty of avatars is excellent.

Devotion is such a great noble lovely virtuous prize from the Grace of God.