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Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« on: November 19, 2011, 08:54:59 AM »
dear all,
A lot has been said and will be said on Arunachala on this site .There have been and will be many debates on whether it confers liberation in this life ,etc.Many will progress in their Sadhana while some may be stagnant or even deteriorate .
Atleast for those who unfortunately do not progress in their , what Arunachala really does for them , it seems they may realise only at the time of death  .Only death can prove or contradict  the statement or clarify the statement in its correct perspective that √©ven thinking of Arunachala ensures liberation.
But then the devotee will not be able to come back and report .
I wonder whether Bhagavan made any categorical statement to this effect that thinking of Arunachala ensures liberation in this life though he did emphasise the efficacy of Arunachala in many instances.Devotees are requested to kindly give their feedback.
From this it seems without going into whether true or not or what it means (i.e one interpretation could be that the darshan of Arunachala or the thought  of Arunachala  breaks the cause and effect cycle of life and leads us to the one way street of liberation without stipulating the time frame which could still span into some lives for us to work out prarabhda ), he expected us to simply concentrate on self enquiry or Arunachala smarana.
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Re: Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 10:16:02 AM »
Dear Anand Sundaram,

Sri Bhagavan has emphatically said that costant remembrence of Arunachala shall
confer liberation. And this is also confirmed in Sri Arunachala Mahatmyam (Sanskrit
And translated Tamizh). If anyone were to do doubt this, Sri Bhagavan said:-- It is
only due to one's lack of faith or ego sticking out its nose.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 03:47:53 PM »
Dear sir,
That point is well taken.
But what does the thought of Arunachala signify ?Does it signify that our previous sadhana has now lead one to this path of self enquiry or surrender .(to Arunachala).
Secondly what about the one who is casually introduced to Arunachala again possibly due to his past sadhana but who does not engage in active sadhana either self enquiry or constant contemplation due to his vasanas .Sometimes it may  transpire though highly unlikely going by all our experience  that in his entire life , he would have thought only once of Arunachala or seen Arunachala only once and that's that .Does not Arunachala have a plan for him for his emancipation. If yes,what and how could it be ?
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Re: Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 04:17:38 PM »
Dear Anand,

Casually introducecl....no serious sadhana.

The casual introduction, should blossom into cosatant remembrance.  This constant remembrance
will first pave way for Chitta suddhi and then to Self enquiry or Self Surrender.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 05:03:21 PM »
Dear sir,
But for this person with casual acquaintence  would Arunachala facilitate,such that  he slowly goes towards the path of self enquiry or surrender.Like for example giving him suffering which he can endure (again he can endure only through Arunachala's grace) and his vasanas get eliminated sufficiently and quickly  so that he goes towards the path of self enquiry or surrender.
This is of course a conjecture but could you throw light on this.
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Re: Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 05:11:21 PM »
Bhagavan once said to his devotee Devaraja Mudaliar, "For everybody it is good to make circuit of the hill. It does not even matter whether one has faith in this Pradakshinam or not just as fire will burn all who touch it whether they believe it will or not, so the hill will do good to all those who go around it.. .. . .. Go round the hill once. You will see that it will attract you"

The Seed is sown the very moment one has the darshan of Arunachala. One becomes ready for emancipation.

All his life Bhagavan referred to the spiritual effect of the mountain. Once when he was asked why he had left his home and come to Arunachala, he answered that he had been drawn there by Arunachala itself. The force could not be denied. "Arunachala is within and not without. The Self is Arunachala." Another time, when he was asked about the nature of Arunachala he answered, "For the human eye it is only a form of earth and stone but its real form is jyoti (Divine Light) "Jnana"   

Bhagavan gave innumerable example which could be quoted, in particular his five hyms of Arunachala, but there is one thing that cannot be denied - if Bhagavan can be said to be said to emotionally attached to anything it was to Arunachala. He would just gaze constantly for long time unmoved from the old hall through the window. Bhagavan also often stated that the mountain is inhabited by Siddhars, who live on the hill in various forms, even as animals.

Whether casual or not, when even once, one has had the darshan of the holy hill, Arunachala registers a stamp in the deep realms of the heart of the person which slowly and steadily pulls one closer to Himself and as Himself eventually.

There is not a iota of doubt about this. do not even try to put effort to achieve devotion, just be, totally relaxed, don't even try to understand, the subconsciousness does everything. Just allow yourself to relax, do not even strain analysing about how's. Just Be, in tune with it. Thats it!

Salutations to Bhagavan
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Re: Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2011, 06:53:26 AM »
Dear friend,

Adding to all that Nagaraj has said, what is spirituality, but a chain of faiths?

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2011, 11:34:23 AM »

The Seed is sown the very moment one has the darshan of Arunachala. One becomes ready for emancipation.

Whether casual or not, when even once, one has had the darshan of the holy hill, Arunachala registers a stamp in the deep realms of the heart of the person which slowly and steadily pulls one closer to Himself and as Himself eventually.

There is not a iota of doubt about this. Infact, Nochur Acharya says, do not even try to put effort to achieve devotion, just be, totally relaxed, don't even try to understand, the subconsciousness does everything. Just allow yourself to relax, do not even strain analysing about how's. Just Be, in tune with it. Thats it!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Whatelse one can add/ think? Thanks.

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Re: Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2011, 04:19:23 PM »
This is called Abhaya  vakyam as laid down in scriptures or someimes it occurs to a bhaktha automatically --  to believe frimly in that statemetn that this will be his last birth.

Unless one gets that firm conviction that arunachala will destroy all the karma at the time of death thereby giving vidheha mukthi,  it is very difficult to escape birth cycle.

So for casual thinkers,  they have to undergo many births,  may be they may get purified in due course.

Along with casual thinkers,  people like us who are afflicted by doubts,  yet do serious sadhana on arunachala will have to undergo births,  but many of the karmas would have been burnt. 

But if any one 100% believes that statement and carry his life,  not even have a small doubt or any thought of ego existence after death,  for them liberation is guaranteed even if he one time thinks of Arunachala.

But that 100% firm faith --  that is not an easy thing.  There lies the secret.   And that casual thinker,  if one were to read his pas births,  he would have completed the sadhana ,  otherwise, this 100% faith he wont get.  But if he somehow gets 100% faith,  even without past merits,  he will still be liberated.

But such a person will never discuss in these forums  (including my humble self).  He will say -- sruthi vaakyam  -- truth,  nothing but truth and move on. 

These are very high matters --  moksha is entirely in the hands of para shakthi --  until the last micro moment,  noone can guess it.

Adhi shankara not able to confer moksha to her mother -- receptivity problem.  Ramana was able to --  receptivity was there. Otherwise,  both were in the hightes plane of jnani category.  So para shakthi reserves it only for very rare souls.

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Re: Arunachala what does it mean to us all?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2011, 04:48:42 PM »
Dear Anand, Krishnan,

Faith and Sraddha are the keys.

Arunachala Siva.