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Various quotes and musings in the light of Vedanta
« on: October 28, 2011, 03:36:54 PM »
Here I'm going to post quotes of the Bible and I suggest we discuss them in Advaita manner which I believe is the true Jesus teaching.

The first quote is:
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“I [Jesus] am in God, and you are in Me, and I am in you.”
John 14:12

For me it's a dualistic way to explain the unexplainable non-dual state which is the nature of God. It's the most available way of description of reality that Jesus could give to the Jewish people which were in a totally dual state of consciousness.
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 04:04:35 PM »


Dear ramana,

Nice. Sri Bhagavan used to quote the following:

I AM THAT I AM

The Kingdom of God is within you.



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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 05:14:16 PM »
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“If you had known Me (Jesus), you also would have known My Father, and from this hour you do know Him and you have seen Him.”
John 14:7

Here in my opinion Jesus confirms that which Advaita teaches. Guru (Jesus) is the full manifestation of God (Brahman) as Atman in Him. Amen.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 05:36:05 PM »
Yes, Sri Subramanian. These are of the most profound expressions in Bible and at all. Some people argue that the correct translation of "within" is "among" or "in the midst of" but oldest Bible sources tanslate it as "within".

I am that I am is the Name of the Lord that He Himself gave to the world.

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God said to Moses, “I AM WHO (THAT) I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you'.” Exodus 3:14

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Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is withinb you.”
Luke 17:20,21
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 05:39:13 PM »


Dear ramana 1359,

Very nice. In Christian theology Jesus is the son of God who shows the way to His Father. Comparably, yes, he is the Guru to
show the way to Self realization, Brahman [Father].



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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 06:09:21 PM »
"The ideals of Christ are the ideals of the scriptures of India. The precepts of Jesus are analogous to the highest Vedic teachings, which were in existence long before the advent of Jesus. This does not take away from the greatness of Christ; it shows the eternal nature of truth, and that Jesus incarnated on earth to give to the world a new expression of Sanatan Dharma"

 - Paramahamsa Yogananda

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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 06:14:05 PM »
Nagaraj, do you have an idea is Paramahansa Yogananda recognize Advaita teachings because I got the impression that He is visishtadvaitin.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 06:25:34 PM »


Dear ramana 1359 and Nagaraj,

There is one novel by Irwing Wallace, which came in 1980s, by the name Word. There he says, that the Bible does not speak
about the life of Jesus after his 16th year to his 32 end year when he was crucified. This intervening period, he is said to have
spent his time in Himalayas learning Vedic truths.  This is only a surmise.



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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 06:49:41 PM »
Yes, I am aware of this theory. There is even a Gospel telling about this period. It's called "Tibetan gospel". Here it is:

http://www.essene.com/Issa.htm
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 06:54:00 PM »
doesn't matter ramana, what matters are the words, the words of truth are first truth, primarily its all atmic principle and only then comes all the others which are secondary. Everybody agree the existence of "Soul" first lets realise that.

Why Bhagavan Ramana was only unique Sage in the entire evolution span of the universe since when it was created, is because, no other Sage revealed what Bhagavan said. He said that everybody agrees about the Atma, first lets realise ourselves as Atma and then we can talk about whether it is Advaita, Dvaita or Visishtadvaita or Father or Malik... what ever theories may exist.

Bhagavan never said a theory. at most he said his anubhooti matched with those of Shankara. I personally felt, the only reason why Shankara came up with the theory of 'adviata' was only to clear the confusions that existed at that time due to the the residue of misinterpretations of some of Buddha's disciples that created chaos in the society! If Everybody becomes a monk, what would happen to the world? Before Buddha there never existed any theory as such.

This one revelation by Bhagavan Ramanar is the father of all revelations. He broke any difference that could exist.

a Ramana devotee would not mind what the true theory is, he is more concerned about the TRUTH itself. A Ramana devotee sees the Atmic principle in every Saints words and he ignores any such theories if mentioned as he is well aware, that, in "that" state of union, there is no mind there, so who is there to affirm any theories there?

In larger scheme, at least personally, it doesn't matter :) infact, whatever literature i read, I see the same atmic principle in all sacred texts. I have read a little of Bible, Buddhists works, Qur-an, old testament, Ramanuja Visishtadvaita, Madhava Dvaita, and Nimbarka Advaitadvaia - They all conveyed the same Atmic Principle, but unfortunately culminated to some theories which was not necessary.

Which is, to atleast Bhagavan's devotees who are well read, consider Bhagavan as the ultimate, because he has made sure that we do not get caught in the theories and forget the fundamental truth the root, Atmic-abidance!

This is the greatest revelation!

There are no theories, only Self. It is neither Sunyata, Advaita, Dvaita, Visishtadvaita, Father, Jehovah, etc.... The Self Atma is ABSOLUTELY ATTRIBUTELESS. IT ALONE IS.

Here, there is no need for any attributes at all... attributes are the greatest "misleadings" to a sadhaka.

I am not sure, if this way be a perfect answer to your query, but this is how i view it :)

Salutations to Bhagavan
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 07:04:12 PM »
What we indians call Dosa, in the west, it is called pan cakes.

This is the way, I view it, Advaita, Dvaita, etc...

Fundamentally it is made from batter (Atma) but the end product is only after it is cooked (realisation)

Salutations to Bhagavan
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 07:08:18 PM »


One may wonder why Jesus always pointed out towards the Heaven and said, that is where my Father's Kingdom is there.
It is because, the Guru and Godhead should be treated as two different entities till one realizes Godhead. Sri Bhagavan
has also said that do not show advaita towards Guru.



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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 07:14:39 PM »
In continuance to my post, I believe, even if a fraud sage uttered the Veda (knowledge) the words don't become impure or fraud because of the saints misconduct :)

Even though the Swami Nithyananda was an embarrassment, his words, some of his quotes are the vedas only! those words have not become impure along with the Swamy! (just quoted for conveying the essence) His words have not become false because of his misconduct, because, they are truth!

Which is why, everything becomes a "Guru Tatva" upon proper discernment, because, a sadhaka is not bothered about the conduct of his Guru, his is more attentive to his quest of truth. He has realised the futility and inertness of the body. Even the Sage's body is not the Sage's (Atleast from such a Sadhaka's point of view) and such a Sadhaka can still realise the truth, being a disciple to even a fraud Sage who is deluding himself too!

NOTE: this does not applies to the masses, this is for sadhaka who has made proper deep enquiry and discernments.

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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 07:23:07 PM »
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One may wonder why Jesus always pointed out towards the Heaven and said, that is where my Father's Kingdom is there.
It is because, the Guru and Godhead should be treated as two different entities till one realizes Godhead. Sri Bhagavan
has also said that do not show advaita towards Guru.

That was the only way Jews to follow Him. The teaching was according their state of consciousness I think. Most of the teachings of Jesus are pure Dvaita because of that.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2011, 08:01:41 PM »
Subramanian garu even i have heard of the rumour that jesus came to india to learn vedic truths.

Dear Ramana1359 ,

thanks a lot for all these information you have given.

There is no denying of the fact that jesus and buddha are the great bubbles known to earth as stated by Swami Vivekananda though both fall short of the expectations for various reasons.

But As bhagavan says 'I am that I am' is the greatest mahavakya available in bible.

Unfortunately there are controversies in bible for which discussions are going on till today.

Issue #1 :->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_heliocentrism

Biblical references Psalm 93:1, 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." In the same manner, Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place" etc.

As known there was big fight between Pope and Galileo at that period where Galileo challenged geocentrism as stated in bible.

Infact still in our local newspapers this issue is displayed and debated. :-)


Issue #2 :-> In this website Dr Zakir Naik a famous international speaker raises many concerns over this sacred book.

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm


So i think it is safe to say that bible can be referred to attain salvation and refer only to those verses and not to worry of other things like creation from this holy book.