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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2011, 08:05:09 PM »
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I am not sure, if this way be a perfect answer to your query, but this is how i view it :)

It's not about the theory but of the methods and the goal of it. Bhagavan says to us that the liberation means to be the Self. But Dvaita schools teach that the duality is the final goal. Following this theory you cannot even theoretically to be liberated because you will stop at some level concidering that this is the ultimate truth. Otherwise I completely share your opinion. I believe the knowledge about unity has been born from people following dualistic path but suddenly by God's grace they have realized the Supreme State of nonduality. Dvaita, Visishtadvaita and Advaita are just three paths according to the state of the human determined by his/her karma. All the ways are beautiful if they respect the other ones.

As Lord Krishna has said:

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"All paths lead to Me (the Self)"
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2011, 08:09:36 PM »
Bible is spiritual book. It's not about how exactly the world is created. And Jews who follow Kabbalah know that.
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2011, 08:16:30 PM »
Dear Prashant, that person if given a chance is capable of dividing the world to opposites Dr. Zakir Naik He is just a clever and dangerous intellect!
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2011, 08:20:50 PM »
Dear Ramana,

yes, thats a valid point. yes in a way Advaita Siddhanta by itself inherently takes one away without any differences between god and us. Without any duality.

Dual schools are fed with dualities and causes a strict sense of separation between faiths. While Advaitins are able to accept all Gods, even multi religious, the dual schools are narrowed down to their own.

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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2011, 08:36:38 PM »
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Unfortunately there are controversies in bible for which discussions are going on till today.

Yes, prasanath, you are right. There controversies are undeniable. But this is only if you understand the stories and teachings literally. You don't think that the Almighty God created the world for 6 day and needed to rest I suppose. :) It means that everything has happened gradually. But the creation stories are only to satisfy the mind of the followers of that time. Nothing more, nothing less. Old Testament is not meant to be unerstood literally. That's all that I want to point out. :) Thank you for the links. :)
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2011, 10:28:27 PM »
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The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?" Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
The Gospel of Thomas, verse 18

May be in Advaita manner it would be something like that: The begginning and the end are The Self, God, the Father. Maya creates the illusion that there is beginning and end, life and death and so on. But the wise one knows for sure that beginning and the end are not different and stays only in the Source although the others consider Him as ordinary person with ordinary deeds.
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2011, 11:03:32 PM »
Dear ramana,

I agree with you now  :)


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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2011, 11:54:39 PM »
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Jesus said: "He who knows the All but fails (to know) him-self lacks everything." Gospel of Thomas, verse 67

It's the core statement of jnana yoga. In mystic and gnostic christianity jnana it's called "gnosis". In Hebrew kabbalah - "daat". The only thing that Advaita can "add" is to capitalize the Self.
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2011, 10:21:00 AM »



Dear prasanth, ramana and Nagaraj,

Creation theories are there in our Vedas. Bible speak about Saptaham, 7 day work. But these are all for beginners who do
not comprehend the dhrshti-srshti vada or ajata vada of Gaudapada.

Sri Bhagavan has said that the Ajata Vada of Gaudpapada is the Truth.

As a concession He accepted dhshti srshti vada.

For people, who did not comprehend the above two, He said: "All right, take srshti-dhrshti vada as correct. But before seeing
which one of these is correct, see yourself within. Then all theories will fall in place."



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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2011, 02:35:26 PM »
yes sir but what about the Issue # 1 i have raised ?

Issue #1 :->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_heliocentrism

Biblical references Psalm 93:1, 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." In the same manner, Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place" etc.

As known there was big fight between Pope and Galileo at that period where Galileo challenged geocentrism as stated in bible.

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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2011, 02:49:15 PM »


Dear prasanth,

Yes. The proponents of of Srshti-Drshti Vada also believes that the world is permanent and cannot be destroyed, [i.e cannot
be moved, with its foundations strong and supported by God], until the Pralayam after the end of Kali Yuga. This is also not
acceptable for Ajata Vadis, because when there is no creation, where is the dissolution?  All appearances only.



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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2011, 04:30:13 PM »
Issue #2 :-> In this website Dr Zakir Naik a famous international speaker raises many concerns over this sacred book.

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm

According to wikipedia Zakir Naik said:

"If bin Laden is fighting enemies of Islam, I am for him," and that "If he is terrorizing America — the terrorist, biggest terrorist — I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist."

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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2011, 04:38:56 PM »
From Gospel of Thomas:

 Jesus said, "Why have you come out to the countryside? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a person dressed in soft clothes, [like your] rulers and your powerful ones? They are dressed in soft clothes, and they cannot understand truth."

This remains me of Ramana saying that a wise person stays under the shade of the tree to shelter himself from the heat. And an unwise person keeps going back and forth.

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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2011, 05:42:20 PM »
Der Joey_,

This person's (Zakir Naik) only agenda is to prove all other religions and paths as false and only his alone is the only way! A very dangerous person for the society. He does not have a decorum, decency in his debates and directly talks bluntly, what he alone thinks is right! He does not even have a pinch of respect to his co-participants, who are in discussion. A dangerous intellect! Really not worth being talked about or does he carry any credibility to take his views and opinions as a point of any reference?

Today, there are innumerable number of public speakers who can talk wonderfully but they don't have any substance. One who knows, remains silent, and one who does not, makes a lot of noise. A true christian, Jew, Hindu, muslim, etc... do not entertain such people and institutions run by them which go into the millions $

Issue #2 :-> In this website Dr Zakir Naik a famous international speaker raises many concerns over this sacred book.

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/biblecontras.htm

According to wikipedia Zakir Naik said:

"If bin Laden is fighting enemies of Islam, I am for him," and that "If he is terrorizing America — the terrorist, biggest terrorist — I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist."

Salutations to Bhagavan
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Re: Bible and christian quotes in the light of Advaita
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2011, 06:15:58 PM »


Dear Nagaraj, prasanth, Joey, ramana 1359 and others.

What is advaita? It speaks of oneness. There is no even difference between Jiva and Brahaman.  Only our ignorance hides
the Jiva from shining as Brahman.  The prime ignorance is ego.

Sri Sankara was an advaitin to core. But at the same time, he knew that commoners would not understand it without formal
worships of various gods in Hindu pantheon. He wrote heart melting verses on Siva [Sivamanasa Puja, Siva Panchakshara
Stotram, Sivananda Lahari etc.,]  on Devi [Devi Kshaparamadamana Stotram, Bhavani Ashtakam, Sri Soundarya Lahari  etc.,] on Vishnu [Hari pada stuti, Sri Vishnu Sahasranama Bhashyam] on Skanda [Subrahmanya Pujangam], on Vinayaka [Ganesa Pancharatna
Stotram.,] etc.,  He embraced all the woships of Hindu gods. Had he known about Jesus, he would have written on Jesus also.

So Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma. It embraces all religions. Even Jains and Buddhists only when they were stopping worships of
Hindu gods, saints like Jnana Samandahar and Manikkavachagar had to come to the scene.,

The other religions are not like that. Chrisitian missionaries wanted Hindus to be first converted into Christians. Moslems did it
at the sword point. But Sri Bhagavan did not do any of these. He said Atma is common to all, and every person of every faith
can do atma vichara.



Arunachala Siva.