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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2011, 06:11:58 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

Sri Bhagavan DID NOT perform Sri Chakra Puja. When  Mahameru [three dimensional Sri Chakra] was installed in Mother's
temple, at the back of the Matrubhuteswara Lingam, near the rear wall,  Sri Bhagavan supervised the work. That is all.

Sri Ganapati Muni, though was taught Self Inquiry, he could not forsake his Devi worships, i.e chanting Lalita Sahasranama
and doing Sri Chakra Puja. Somehow he held both self inquiry and Sri Chakra Pujas as his forms of sadhana.



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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2011, 06:25:14 PM »
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa thought that Brahman and Shakti are the same.
Is this true?


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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2011, 06:58:33 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

Sri Bhagavan also said the same thing. He said Brahman is One and there is no second, what we call as Maya or Sakti is only
the manifesting power of Brahman. It is like Guitar and its sound, Flower and its fragrance, Sun and its rays.



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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2011, 11:05:52 PM »
When gods are only forms and names, how and why are Bhakti Yogis such as Mirabai able to attain enlightenment?

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2011, 11:32:04 AM »

Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Is it also not mentioned that  Karma/Bhakthi/Jnana yogas,  all lead to the same point?
As Bhagavan pointed out clearly, the path depends on the maturity/vasanas of the person.
There is difference only in the path.

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2011, 03:48:08 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

All paths are there only to remove the ego.  In Jnana Marga, the Self Inquiry, ego is eliminated first. In other Margas,
the ego is held for doing bhakti, karma and yoga, and eventually submitted to the godhead. Anyway, unless ego is
totally eliminated it is not possible to attain Brahman or the Self or the godhead.



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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2011, 03:54:51 PM »
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Is it also not mentioned that  Karma/Bhakthi/Jnana yogas,  all lead to the same point?
As Bhagavan pointed out clearly, the path depends on the maturity/vasanas of the person.
There is difference only in the path.

I share your opinion. As if the mirror is covered with dust we must clean it with wet clout. If it's soiled with oil we must use detergent. If it's covered with paint we must use paint remover. But the mirror is the same. So is that with the different paths of yoga. All are directed to clean the different vasanas to shine the Self.
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2011, 06:46:38 PM »
I have heard that Bhagavan is an incarnation of Skanda.
Is this true and how can that be when Skanda is just form & name?

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2011, 07:10:16 PM »
Skanda means 'that which is spilled or oozed, 'seed' in Sanskrit. The source, the heart. Ramana means "one that captivates" Ultimately, it is the Self that captivates one and all and that Self is the Seed, the source.

Skanda was also known as Jnana Pandita. Skanda is Brahman itself, He is Atmic principle, he is the seed, Bija. Murugan is another name of Skanda, which means "beautiful" What is really meant by beautiful is the Soul, Atman. So was Bhagavan.

Naayana himself believed to the end of his life that he was an Avatar of Ganapati, and firmly believed Bhagavan  Ramana Maharshi, his master, being an Avatar of his brother Skanda. To him, Mahatma Gandhi was an Avatar or Maitreya. Engaged, like him, in the divine mission of national liberation and regeneration. So did many other devotees like Muruganar, Viswanatha Swami..

Moreover, Skanda always resides in a hill, so did Ramana, Skanda's father was Lord Shiva, so did Ramana call Arunachala father as his father. Skanda had a stick in his hand and so did Bhagavan. Both wore Koupinam.



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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2011, 09:32:12 PM »
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Apt information, Nagaraj ji. One may add about the presence of peacocks too.

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2011, 09:36:07 PM »
Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri Ramanaya!

Dear ramana1359,

Your words make the idea very clear.

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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2011, 06:53:15 AM »
Naayana himself believed to the end of his life that he was an Avatar of Ganapati, and firmly believed Bhagavan  Ramana Maharshi, his master, being an Avatar of his brother Skanda.
Did Bhagavan himself say anything to that point?

When Ganapati Muni was an Avatara, how can it be he did not attain enlightenment?
I think Bhagavan said he didn't because his wish for power was too strong.

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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2011, 09:38:44 AM »


Dear Jyoti,

Sri Bhagavan was considered as an Avatara of Skanda, by Nayana and also many others. But Nayana, since his name was
Ganapati Muni, considered Sri Bhagavan as his younger brother, Skanda.  Added to this, he was a few years older, and so
he considered these comparisons apt. However, Sri Bhagavan never considered Ganapati Muni as an avatara of Ganapati.
He called him Nayana which means in Telugu, Father and also sometimes is fondly referred for the elder brother also.



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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2011, 09:42:09 AM »
Jyoti,

I understand your question --  Para Shakthi is very very real to this world.  Until this creation is felt to teb bare minimum by your mind,  Ishwari is there.  Where Ishwara is there,  his shakthi Ishwari is necessarily there.

All Dasa Maha Vidays are very very valid  and sri charka worship is one of the 10 Maha Vidyas.

Bhagavan Ramana Maharishee freely advocated and encouraged Devi worship.

The Maha Perivaa of Kanchi has explained very nicely about different bhava meditations on the Divine Mother.

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa --  the Paramahamsa title being unique like the Maharishee title,  he followed Bhakthi marga and got many instructions from the great Bhairavi Brahmi.

The 20th century women saints Anandamayi ma,  Jilelamudi Amma and Saradamma are essentially the forms of Durga in flesh and blood.   

You can straight away go to Nirvikalpa Samadhi and attain ever abiding peace and liberation by simply thinking of Devi's human avatars or Devi's subtle forms.

Adhi Shankaracharya has exclusively written about Ambaal and his Aigiri Nandini stothraa is very powerful.

Durvasa Maharaishee has written Arya Dwishathi where he explains the Chintamani world and Kadamba vana of Devi Lalitha.

Abhirama Pattar has very nicely written about Bhava mediatation on Durga forms in Abhiraami Andhaadhi.

Infact without Ambaal's mercy,  we cannot move a small inch in our sadhana.  She is Maha Mayaa and only with her permission and final nod, one can cross this great samsara.

Not only that,  in durga saptha sloki it is written 'jnaninaamapi chethaamsi devi bhagwathi hisaa'

Meaning even great mahatmas are captiviated by her supreme maya.

The famous self enquiry saints  --  Annamaali Swami once gave a small piece of rock to his devotee only after finding out that the devote's wife chants Lalitha Sahasranamam regularly.

In my opinion,  Nirguana Brahman alone comes as Devi swaroopam. One who does not recognize this fact is verily deluded.

The beauty of Devi is that,  even those who worship Ambaa can be easily deluded by her,  if their ego is found arising.

One should approach Ambaal in all humility and adore her day and night as per the words of Kanchi Maha Perivaa.  That alone is prapathi,  that alone is surrender and great tapas one can do in this lifetime.


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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2011, 09:56:07 AM »


Dear Nagaraj,

Shri Viswanatha Swami in his Sri Ramana Ashottaram [108 Holy Names of Sri Ramana], refers in many names as Sri
Bhagavan to be Skanda Avatara.

1. Om Mahasena Mahomsena jathaya Namah |   [1]  One who is born with the light of Devasenapati. Devasenapati is commander
in chief of Devas i.e Skanda.

2. Om Chuthavatyam samasinaya Namah | [34] One who rested under Mango Tree. Muruga is under a mango tree in
Kanchipuram. Sri Bhagavan was also sitting in Mango Tree Grove.

3. Om Sukumaraya Namah | [65] One who is Sukumara. Sukumara is the name of Muruga.   Saint Arunagiri Natha uses the
word Sukumara to denote Muruga in many of his songs in Tirupugazh.

4. Om Samsararnava tharakya Namah | [93] One who takes you to the shore from the ocean of samsara.  Saint Arunagiri
Natha sings in Tiru VeLaikaran Vahuppu., as Muruga takes the devotees to the shore from the ocean of samsara.

Yadhu nilai aRRalaiyum ezhu piRavik kadalai
ERa vidum naRkarunai Odakkaranum......

5. Om Subrakaupina vasanaaya Namah |  [99]. One who wears brilliant white koupina, codpiece. This refers both
to Muruga in Pazhani and also Sri Bhagavan.

6. Om Guhaaya Namah | [100] One who resides in the cave of Heart. Guha is another name for Muruga.

7. Om Dandapaaniye Namah | [101] One who holds a stick. This again refers to Sri Bhagavan as also Muruga in
Swami malai and Pazhani. Dandapani is the common name in Tamizh for Muruga.,

8. Om Skandaya Namah | [104] The meaning is obvious both referring Muruga and Sri Bhagavan. Skanda means the
all pervading light of Siva, which is called Siva sphuranam.

9. Om Senanye Namah | [107]. One who is the commander of the army of Devas. This refers to Muruga.  Sri Bhagavan
is also the commander to kill various vasanas of devotees by His look.



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