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Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: September 25, 2011, 05:36:30 AM »
When Arunachala grants moksha, why did Bhagavan have to stay with his mother while she was dying to give her moksha?

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 10:55:13 AM »
Dear Jyothi,

When Mother "got" Moksha, who is Bhagavan and who is Mother? who was with whom really? who is asking this question? who is seeing Bhagavan giving moksha to Mother? Really there is no 'giving' or 'taking' just see who is 'seeing' all these? :)

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 12:09:57 PM »


Dear jyoti,

Arunachala = Sri Bhagavan.



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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 05:19:57 PM »


Dear jyoti,

Arunachala = Sri Bhagavan.


But there was also a monk whom Bhagavan tried to give moksha but failed because he took his hand from his chest too early.
So when Bhagavan is Arunachala & Arunachala is Bhagavan - how could this happen?

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 05:40:39 PM »


Dear Jyoti.

That person was not a monk but one Pazhani Swami who was doing all service to Sri Bhagavan in the early years. His guru
bhakti was tremendous. Sri Bhagavan wanted to confer moksha for him. So when he suffered from some terminal illness,
Sri Bhagavan sat near him and placed His hands on the head and chest. At the final moment, Sri Bhagavan thought that his
breath has gone to dwell in the Heart,  He took away His hands. But Pazhani Swami's vasanas were still there, and so he opened
his eyes for a second and the breath flew away through the eyes. Sri Bhagavan understood His mistake of taking  away His hands
a little early, and at the same time the vasanas of Pazhani Swami did not quell in full.  Even a single vasana will give a fresh birth.
That is why his prana flew away through the eyes.  Sri Bhagavan took special care in Mother's case and did not leave His hands till
her vasanas did completely die in the Heart and the prana also withdrew into the Heart. So she could attain moksha.

So in spite of a Guru's help, when vasanas are still there, as the destiny would have it, prana will fly away in the last moment
through any one of the orifices like nose, eyes, mouth, and ears. Guru's help will be 100% successful, only when vasanas are
totally dead.



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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 05:44:34 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

Your question are really good ones, however, if you acquaint yourself more of Bhagavan's teachings, many of such questions would clear off themselves. I suggest you read the "Who am I" book and Talks with Bhagavan. Many such questions would be answered unasked!

As regards to your question, It indicated that the Mind of Palaniswamy had still not merged in the heart and the "jiva" escaped in the last moment through the eyes. As Subramanian Sir pointed out, Vasanas had still not exhausted, those Vasanas escaped through his eyes.

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It must be remembered that Sri Bhagavan had been with his mother from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. until she passed away. He was all along holding her head with one hand, the other hand placed on her bosom. What does it signify? He said later, that there was a struggle between him and his mother, until her spirit reached the heart.

Evidently the soul passes through a series of subtle experiences, and Sri Bhagavan's touch generates a currrent which turns the soul back from its wandering into the Heart.

The samskaras, however, persist and a struggle is kept up between the spiritual force set up by his touch and the innate samskaras, until the latter are entirely destroyed and the soul is led into the heart to rest in eternal Peace, which is the same as Liberation.

Its entry into the Heart is signified by a peculiar sensation perceptible to the Mahatma - similar to the tinkling of a bell.

When Maharshi attended on Palaniswami on his deathbed, he took away his hand after the above signal. But Palaniswami's eyes opened immediately, signifying that the spirit had escaped through them, thereby indicating a higher rebirth, but not Liberation. Having once noticed it with Palaniswami, Maharshi continued touching his mother for a few minutes longer - even after the signal of the soul passing into the Heart - and thus ensured her Liberation. This was confirmed by the look of perfect peace and composure on her features."

Bhagavan however said that, Palaniswamy would have a higher and very evolved next birth.

Salutations to Bhagavan
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 05:47:31 PM »


Dear Nagaraj,

Yes. Sri Bhagavan has also said what you have said i.e about his new birth, a noble birth.



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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 06:05:49 PM »


Dear Jyoti.

That person was not a monk but one Pazhani Swami who was doing all service to Sri Bhagavan in the early years. His guru
bhakti was tremendous. Sri Bhagavan wanted to confer moksha for him. So when he suffered from some terminal illness,
Sri Bhagavan sat near him and placed His hands on the head and chest. At the final moment, Sri Bhagavan thought that his
breath has gone to dwell in the Heart,  He took away His hands. But Pazhani Swami's vasanas were still there, and so he opened
his eyes for a second and the breath flew away through the eyes. Sri Bhagavan understood His mistake of taking  away His hands
a little early, and at the same time the vasanas of Pazhani Swami did not quell in full.  Even a single vasana will give a fresh birth.
That is why his prana flew away through the eyes.  Sri Bhagavan took special care in Mother's case and did not leave His hands till
her vasanas did completely die in the Heart and the prana also withdrew into the Heart. So she could attain moksha.

So in spite of a Guru's help, when vasanas are still there, as the destiny would have it, prana will fly away in the last moment
through any one of the orifices like nose, eyes, mouth, and ears. Guru's help will be 100% successful, only when vasanas are
totally dead.



Arunachala Siva.       
But Pazhani Swami lived near Arunachala, so why did he not get moksha vasanas or not?
It is said that whoever lives near Arunachala gets moksha.
When only getting rid of the last vasana liberates one, what is the significance of Arunachala?

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 06:27:38 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

suppose we want to eat ice cream, can we get the ice cream just by merely sitting in an ice cream parlor? we need to buy the ice cream, and to buy, we need money, and for money, we need to work, to work we need knowledge, for knowledge, we need to surrender to the Guru. The Guru enlightens the significance of Arunachala. When the grace of Guru falls on us, we attain Moksha.

So the trick is in earning the grace of Guru, yearning for Him! Only an enlightened Guru knows the secret of Arunachala. When we win His grace he reveals the secret of Arunachala.

Bhagavan Ramana has revealed these subtle secrets and significance of Arunachala in his most loved Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai. You can read about Arunachala and his secret doings.

Salutations to Bhagavan
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 06:49:17 PM »



Dear Jyoti

One should stay in Arunachala or within thee yojanas [thirty kms] through out his life. Not only that. He should lead a spiritual
life. [this is not of course, mentioned in the poem]. And such a living with spiritual leanings shall confer moksha without deeksha
i.e without getting into sannyasa dharma, without  getting the touch of the Guru and also Diskha  name. But at the same time,
the unspoken element of spiritual pursuits must be there, to the extent of nullifying all vasanas.  This is the minimum qualification. The rest is taken care, by Arunachala.

Pazhani Swami had spiritual pursuits but still there were some hidden vasanas. So even Guru's touch could not do the required conferring of moksha.

One gentleman in the Asramam gave me an example to drive home this point. The puranas say that circumambulating a particular
tree, so many times per day, shall give the girl a baby. But if the girl is unmarried, and if she goes round and round the tree,
will she get a child? The qualification is that she must be married and should live with her husband and she must be childless and
she must yearn for a child. Then she can go round the tree to get the benefit.



Arunachala Siva.
       

         

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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 09:37:17 PM »
Then Subramanian Sir ,can we interpret what you had quoted from the Arunachala MAhatyam
""1. If Arunachala is seen even from a distance or even remembered when its form is not seen, one shall get Self Realization, the purport
of Vedanta, without any toils.

2. People who live within the radius of 3 yojanas [about 20 miles]
around Arunachala, will get saujya of Siva [living in the same form of Siva], without even any formal initiation.[deeksha]
""
and which also does not mention liberation in one lifetime ,as that we are well on our way in the path of self enquiry / devotion to Bhagavan and liberation is assured soon .(possibly within a few lifetimes or even one lifetime depending on the progress of our Sadhana and the grace of Bhagavan/Arunachala both of which are interlinked.)
Or instead of saying well on our way in the path of self enquiry / devotion to Bhagavan,can we interpret   that by virtue of our association with Bhagavan / Arunachala we are in the jaws of the tiger and liberation is around the corner.
But again what is liberation for all of us here other than being in every infintesimal moment being aware of Bhagavan and Arunachala and rejoicing in them.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 10:30:26 PM »



Dear Jyoti

One should stay in Arunachala or within thee yojanas [thirty kms] through out his life. Not only that. He should lead a spiritual
life. [this is not of course, mentioned in the poem]. And such a living with spiritual leanings shall confer moksha without deeksha
i.e without getting into sannyasa dharma, without  getting the touch of the Guru and also Diskha  name. But at the same time,
the unspoken element of spiritual pursuits must be there, to the extent of nullifying all vasanas.  This is the minimum qualification. The rest is taken care, by Arunachala.

Pazhani Swami had spiritual pursuits but still there were some hidden vasanas. So even Guru's touch could not do the required conferring of moksha.

One gentleman in the Asramam gave me an example to drive home this point. The puranas say that circumambulating a particular
tree, so many times per day, shall give the girl a baby. But if the girl is unmarried, and if she goes round and round the tree,
will she get a child? The qualification is that she must be married and should live with her husband and she must be childless and
she must yearn for a child. Then she can go round the tree to get the benefit.



Arunachala Siva.
       

         
So in order to obtain the grace of Lord Arunachala, certain requirements need to be fulfilled.
That is most disapointing, I thought the grace of Lord Arunachala were unconditional.

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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2011, 08:55:21 AM »


Dear Jyoti,

Who said Grace is  conditional. Grace is conditional. But for the Grace to be received by you, you should be sufficiently clean
vessel. Is it not? If you are a dirty vessel, the purity of Grace will be spoiled . Suppose you are given payasam [Sweet porridge]
in a temple. You should take a clean tumbler or mug. If your tumbler or mug is dirty, unclean, unwashed and impure, how can
you relish the tasty payasam?

Sri Bhagavan has said Devaraja Mudaliar: Oye, the Grace is ever flowing. But 'you' do not come in the way. Here 'you' of Devaraja
Mudaliar is 'I', the ego.

The unclean vessel is the egoistic mind.



Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 10:22:41 AM »
“Give up this awful disease that is creeping into our consciousness, the idea of ridiculing everything (including our scriptures!), the loss of seriousness. We need to give that up! We need to be strong and have this shraddha, a strong belief in ourselves, a strong belief in the indestructible atman, and everything else is bound to follow.”




Dear Jyoti,

We all need a dose of Vivekananda. There is one beautiful small book available at Ramakrishna Math called as "Power Capsules" which contains the quotes of Swami Vivekananda, and, each of those quotes gets deep into the core of cells and shake and rise all the dormant wisdom and clarity that is within us.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2011, 10:31:05 AM »


Dear Nagaraj,

Nice and apt quotation from Swami Vivekananda.  Faith and Sraddha are the two keys.



Arunachala Siva.