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Katha upanishad
« on: August 11, 2011, 12:26:50 PM »
Can you explain me this verse from Katha Upanishad:
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As pure water poured into pure water becomes the very same,
so does the Self of the illuminated man or woman, Nachiketa, verily become onw with the Godhead. 4:14

Is the translation correct? If yes, isn't that dualism? Is that "self" or "the Self"? I think what is meant is "The self verily "becomes" the Godhead (The Self)". But I am not well versed in Upanishads and need help.
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Re: Katha upanishad
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2011, 04:07:26 PM »


Dear ramana1359,

Here the individual self or the jiva is referred to as self. There no two
selves. There is only one Self. Sri Bhagavan always used Jiva and the
Self. When Jiva merges with the Self, it is like water poured into water.
Or the traditional advaitic usage is like oil poured into oil. Thyla dhara,]
says Vivekachoodamani. Because when oil is poured into a drum of oil,
it does not make any noise.  It merges quietly. So also the jiva merging
with the Atma. It makes no noise. It is a quiet affair.  When Sri Bhagavan
had the "death experience" or Selfhood experience in Madurai, there
was no noise. He just took 20 minutes to merge with the Self. He did
not make any mantra japa or meditation.  He controlled His breath and
lied down like a corpse. Then He tightened His limbs and imagined that
the body is dead. But there was Aham Sphurana, the pulsation of I-I.
Thereafter He had no individuality. He became a mighty impersonality.



Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Katha upanishad
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2011, 07:30:48 PM »


Dear ramana1359,

Sri Bhagavan has said that the ego or the mind is the individual self.
This is called Jiva or Sukshma sarira. He very  rarely must have used
the individual self and the Self. In fact, He makes fun of
this two selves business in ULLadu Narpadu, Verse 33:

To say that I do not know myself or I have known myself, is cause
for laughter. What? Are there two selves one to be known by the other?
There is but One,  the Truth of the experience of all.

[Tr. Prof, K. Swaminathan]



Arunachala Siva.