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ksksat27

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healthy debate topics
« on: July 14, 2011, 03:15:14 PM »
Dear Deovtees,

I dont know how many of you know this,   or how should I explain.

In my childhood I was in Thiruchendurai village near Trichy where there is a Perumal temple.

We use to do sampradaya bhajans -- which contains many devoted songs from Tukaram,  Namdev,  Meera,   Jayadeva Ashtapadi,  Badrachal Ramadas,  Yadi Maharaj,  Sadashiva brahmendra,  etc. etc. a big list of Bhaktas.

What use to happen is for 10 days from Rama Navami these bhajans will be held daily in the morning and nights and 10th day there will be overnight bhajans.


When enough bhagavatas are available for singing, sometimes the mood beats up and they will form two rows sitting opposite to others .

Krishna admirers in one group and Rama admirers in another group.

One row will start with a nice song of Rama.  Once they finish the team Krishna will start a even more nectar like song of Krishna.  Then it will be the turn of Team Rama.

Such things have become a story of the past now though.

Off late we used to imitate that.

My friend Shyam Krishnan was an ardent devotee of Lord Rama.  He will buy notebooks and write sree rama jayam.

Even I am devotee of Lord Rama more than Lord Krishna.

But in front of him,  I will glorfiy Lord Krishna so that I can hear more and more about Lord Rama.

Sometimes he will get ferocious in the arguments,  will quote many stories to prove that Lord Rama will protect those surrendered to him than Lord Krishna.

But we both will have the underlying current of love for both forms, but would do this type of a thing.

Unfortunatley that time I was in a sort of head weight that Ishwara Bhakthi is enough and Gurus are not at all required.

If such people are here in this forum to speak for Ishwara, they should comment to my Guru Bhakthi post and start the heat ;) 

Regards,
Krishna

Subramanian.R

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Re: healthy debate topics
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 06:08:41 PM »


Dear Krishna,

There is nothing wrong in having one God for your devotion. Too many
Gods would confuse us;  Similarly one Guru is more than adequate.
Only thing is that that guru should have been self realized.  Then only
he can show the way of self realization.  There are many Krishna,
Rama and Siva Bhaktas who came to Sri Bhagavan. He never discouraged
any of them. He in fact told that such a bhakti to one God should show you
a competent Guru at appropriate time. A Guru is all Grace. He does not
punish. If you slander at a Guru even god will not forgive you, though
Guru does not punish you. All gods are ultimately manifestations of one
Brahman, the name less and formless Principle. Just as sparks emanate
from a big fire, from Brahman all gods emanate as sparks.

Sri Bhagavan has quoted one sloka from Tamizh Kurunthirattu:

To a Jnana Guru, Vishnu will do all service to him. Siva will follow
that Jnana Guru to all places to protect him. Brahma will make necessary
comforts available for him.



Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: healthy debate topics
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 11:22:51 AM »
Yes sir, what all you have written is the truth.

However so many Gods need not confuse one.

For example,  even in Ramana case,  one will have Raman as primary Guru, Arunachala as Ishwara,   Alagammal temple for Devi sri Chakra worship  minimum.

Then if one followed Papaji or Annamalai Swami or Lakhamana Swami that will add to theh list.

Also before coming to Ramana,  most of the sadhaks would have worshipped God in one form or other,  read some Guru's teachings.  They will occasionally rever them even after coming to Ramana.

So if underlying love for God is maximum, there is no source for confusion. 

On a lighter vein, I was highlighting how  the devotion and its variety expressions we have in our sampradaya bhajan and orthodox south brahmin culture also. 

Actually such a debate is only possible when one has more and more underlying love for the Supreme.  Its like Sadhana Competition only that winner and runner both runs after God before and after the game.

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Re: healthy debate topics
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 01:08:28 PM »


Dear Krishna,

Sampradaya Bhajans are no doubt quite good.  In Maharashtra
many devotees of Panduranga and Jnaneswar do this only.
In Tamizh Nadu also, Tiruppugazh bhajans are quite famous.
But singing aloud with cymbals and tablas will take us only upto
certain levels. That bhakti will flourish but this bhakti should blossom
into self surrender if not in self enquiry.  That is possible only when
individual effort is made.



Arunachala Siva.