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Jyoti

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Family & moksha
« on: May 20, 2011, 03:17:47 AM »
When someone attains moksha, has this an effect on the fate of that persons family members?
Because I think the Devi Gita says when a person attains moksha his mother must never be reborn.

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Re: Family & moksha
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 10:59:13 AM »


Dear Jyoti,

Your question has got some interesting answers. The scriptures say
that when a Brahma Jnani gets liberation, thirty generarations before and after him, get liberation without any effort.  That way, one can safely presume that even Sri Bhagavan's father, Sundaram Iyer [who passed away even before self realization of Sri Bhagavan] could have attained liberation.  Of course, there is no doubt about Mother Azhagamma since she was conferred liberation, by Sri Bhagavan Himself towards her end.

But another variation is, one should make his or own efforts to attain moksha, only a Guru can take him across the ocean of samsara and deliver him at the shore i.e liberation.
Sri Bhagavan, if He had been asked about this doubt, He would have
answered as per second variation.

Sri Ramana Ashottaram gives one name for Sri Bhagavan:

Om Sundararya tapa phalaya Namah:

One who is the  fruit of great tapas of Sundaram Iyer. This shows
that Sundaram Iyer himself should have done a lot of penance to get
a child like Sri Bhagavan.  So, he must have attained moksha on his own merits.



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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 04:24:52 PM »


Dear srkudai,

Perhaps the family that was there in Brahma Jnani's poorvasrama or
the one that was there before his self realization.



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Re: Family & moksha
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2011, 03:09:16 PM »
Namaste,

My question is :
if "Gita says when a person attains moksha his mother must never be reborn"
Why Ramana spend 12 hours with his mother for give her Moksha ?

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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2011, 04:58:06 PM »


Dear vishnave,

This is a good question.  But I think Sri Bhagavan did that to
make her realize moksha in her own right, [though He helped
her at final hours] and not on the transferred gift of her son.



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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 12:01:20 PM »


Dear srkudai,

Yes. Your view point is also correct. Sri Bhagavan had not mamakara
and He conferred His Mother moksha, because she was fit for that,
with all her tribulations and trials in life and constantly believe in Her
Guru viz., Sri Bhagavan. The fact that Sri Bhagavan did not have any
mamakara is also clear that He tried His method of placing His hands on the breast and forehead with Pazhani Swami.  Perhaps, Pazhani's
vasanas had not still died that his prana and mind escaped through the suddenly opened eyes.  Sri Sanakra conferred Vishnupadam to his mother also for the same reason i.e. the trials she had undergone, as a widow, with her only son lost for the benefit of the world. Pattinathar, a Tamizh saint also did it for his mother.  Brhama Jnanis though strictly speaking have no family, the bond with the mother is quite strong.



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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 01:34:04 PM »
Dear sir,

Adi Shankara also did all His rites to His mother. I am not sure whether Shankara reached before her ending or after that. Whatever it may be both mothers are so fortunate to have such saintly sons. We have to do namaskarams to Aaryamba and Azhagammai's feet.


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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 02:58:22 PM »


Dear ramanaduli,

Aryambika's story is slightly different. Sri Sankara no doubt came to
her well in time, held her on his laps and told her that he would give
her deliverance. He then made her to realize the Siva padam. But
Aryambika was afraid of the huge retinue of siva ganas, all looking
short and plump and having axes on their hands. She became afraid. And said that she wanted in preference to Vishnu padam. Sri Sankara then made her realize Vishnu padam, where Narayana is sitting with devotees, and Narada and his two wives, Sridevi and Bhooma devi.

I personally feel that both Sivapadam and Vishnu padam are not equivalent to liberation. Liberation is a state, where there is nothing other than the Person Himself. This is one's real swarupam., Paramatma Swarupam. Sivapadam and Vishnupadam are only heavens like Kailasam and Vaikuntam.



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