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Jyoti

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Mental Pradakshina
« on: May 14, 2011, 09:56:40 PM »
When someone is unable to go to Arunachala physically, can that person perform mental Pradakshina?

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Re: Mental Pradakshina
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 09:31:23 AM »


Dear Jyoti,

Very much yes.  One who cannot go to Arunachala and see the Hill
can simply remember it to attain mukti says, Sri Arunachala Mahatamyam.  The same will hold good for pradakshina also.
One can remember the girivalam routes and the various lingams around it and mentally perform giripradakshina.

For people who go to Tiruvannamalai but cannot perform giri pradakshina, due to infirm body conditions, can also do pradakshina
of Samadhi Hall. There is also a method, in which one can start from
Mother's Temple, come one full round and during the second round, through the entrance between Mother's Temple and Samadhi Shrine
come to Samadhi Shrine and do pradakshina in full.  This method is also adopted by many, whom I have seen doing this.

During Sri Bhagavan's times, aged people used to come round the Old Hall several times, as giri pradakshina.

Ribhu Gita says one can go round the Self within.



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Re: Mental Pradakshina
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 10:26:27 PM »
I never saw Arunachala myself.
How many peaks does Arunachala have? I read about 4.

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Re: Mental Pradakshina
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 01:16:31 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

There are five peaks. All the five peaks can be seen only in one stretch of girivalam route. This is called Panchamuka darshan.



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Re: Mental Pradakshina
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2011, 06:37:59 PM »
So one peak is Shiva, one peak is Devi, two peaks are Ganesh and Skanda.
What about the 5th peak?

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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2011, 06:53:47 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

The 5th peak is Nandi the bull or Chandikeswara, the Siva Jnani who
is also the guardian angel of Siva temples. When you go to a Siva temple, you come during pradakshina to Siva's right on the outer portal where some Jnani is in Sivadhayana.  You go and clap your hands gently. You are telling him that you are leaving the temple and you are not taking any of the properties of Siva. You should clap your hands gently for 4 times, lest his dhyana is not disturbed. You should not clap your hands vigorously as if he is deaf. No. 



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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 08:06:39 PM »
What if one walks around Arunachala anti-clockwise?
I think Tantriks do it that way, is it harmful?

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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 08:36:48 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

If you ask this question or such questions  to Sri Bhagavan, do you know what He would have said?  "Walk first in proper manner [clock wise] and then see whether it is necessary to walk anti clock wise."



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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 09:33:22 PM »
Good answer.  :D
I have an interest in Tantra because I like the unconventional aproach.
At the same time I like Devi more than Shiva, which is why I am never quite sure if I should worship Arunachala.
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Re: Mental Pradakshina
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 10:51:19 AM »


Dear Jyoti,

I like your open statement. But tell me, is Siva ever alone without
Devi or Devi alone without Siva.  The single body with right side of
Siva or left side of Devi is Ardhanari Tattvam.  In Arunachala only,
Devi got her share of left of the body of Siva.  Arunachala is
Siva-Devi swarupam.

Sri Bhagavan says in Sri Arunachala Nava Mani Maalai, Verse 1:

Ahala uruvil ach sakti odungida ongum
arunachalam enRu aRi....

In the court of Chidambaram, Siva, though motionless by nature, dances in rapture before His Sakti who stands still. Know that in
Arunachala He stands in His solemnity and She withdraws there into His Unmoving Self.



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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 10:52:21 AM »


Dear Jyoti,

I like your open statement. But tell me, is Siva ever alone without
Devi or Devi alone without Siva.  The single body with right side of
Siva or left side of Devi is Ardhanari Tattvam.  In Arunachala only,
Devi got her share of left of the body of Siva.  Arunachala is
Siva-Devi swarupam.

Sri Bhagavan says in Sri Arunachala Nava Mani Maalai, Verse 1:

Ahala uruvil ach sakti odungida ongum
arunachalam enRu aRi....

In the court of Chidambaram, Siva, though motionless by nature, dances in rapture before His Sakti who stands still. Know that in
Arunachala He stands in His solemnity and She withdraws there into His Unmoving Self.



Arunachala Siva.         

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 07:55:57 PM »
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Dear Jyoti,

The 5th peak is Nandi the bull or Chandikeswara, the Siva Jnani who
is also the guardian angel of Siva temples. When you go to a Siva temple, you come during pradakshina to Siva's right on the outer portal where some Jnani is in Sivadhayana.  You go and clap your hands gently. You are telling him that you are leaving the temple and you are not taking any of the properties of Siva. You should clap your hands gently for 4 times, lest his dhyana is not disturbed. You should not clap your hands vigorously as if he is deaf. No. 



Arunachala Siva.
So when there are 5 peaks and 5 devatas, who stands for what?
Shiva should be Being and Devi energy, what about the others?

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 08:47:50 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

Siva is for the Self. Devi is for Energy, the manifesting power of the
Self. Nandi is the vehicle of Siva. The fourth one is Ganesa, who also represents mooladharam in yoga sastram. He is the elder son of Siva and is the quintessence of the mantra Aum. The fifth is Chandikeswara, the guardian angel of Siva temples.  In temple processions, one can see Pancha murti or five gods coming out.
These are the five ones.



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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 08:49:59 PM »


Dear Jyoti,

Sometimes, Nandi, since he is already with Siva as his vehicle,
Skanda is taken into account.



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Re: Mental Pradakshina
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2011, 08:57:10 AM »
I found a map of the girivalam path here, with all the Lingas.
Where does the path start, which Lingam comes first?