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Jyoti

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Liberation
« on: February 06, 2011, 01:57:25 AM »
In a book about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa I read him say that of 1 million people liberation is attained by perhaps 1 person only.
When it is so rare, why even bother?

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Re: Liberation
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2011, 09:47:47 AM »



Dear Jyoti,

Why amongst 6000 million population of the world, only about
a dozen have reached the summit of Everest?  Because for some
at least, this is an achievement.  Many who have tried  to climb
Everest have died on the way. Still why many are still trying?

Liberation or climbing an Everest is still a goal, a goal of bliss,
and that is the reason why at least some try.  Others who do not
bother about such achievement, can remain on the plains and not
even think about the Mountain.  Everest does not bother.  So also
Atma or Brahman does not bother.

Sri Bhagavan has said:  Many are there; some are called; still
only a few are blessed with grace.



Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Liberation
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2011, 06:46:33 PM »
Why only few are blessed with grace?
Doesn't God have an interest in our well-being?

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Re: Liberation
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2011, 07:36:59 PM »
Here are some inspiring and uplifting quotes by Sri Ramana on the subject


Question: 20. Is it not possible for God and the Guru to effect the release of a soul?



God and the Guru will only show the way to release; they will not by themselves take the soul to the state of release. In truth, God and the Guru are not different. Just as the prey which has fallen into the jaws of a tiger has no escape, so those who have come within the ambit of the Guru's gracious look will be saved by the Guru and will not get lost; yet, each one should by his own effort pursue the path shown by God or Guru and gain release. One can know oneself only with one's own eye of knowledge, and not with somebody else's. Does he who is Rama require the help of a mirror to know that he is Rama?


Questioner: Sadguru is necessary to guide me to understand it.

Sri Ramana Maharshi: The sadguru is within.

Questioner: I want a visible Guru.

Sri Ramana Maharshi: That visible Guru says that he is within.

Question: Is success not dependent on the Guru’s grace?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Yes, it is. Is not your practice itself due to such grace? The fruits are the result of the practice and follow it automatically. There is a stanza in Kaivalya which says, ‘O Guru! You have been always with me, watching me through several incarnations, and ordaining my course until I was liberated.’ The Self manifests externally as the Guru when the occasion arises, otherwise he is always within, doing what is necessary.


"Grace is constant. Your judgment is the variable. Where else should the fault lie?"



Sri Ramana Maharshi: Grace is the Self. I have already said, if you remember Bhagavan, you are prompted to do so by the Self. Is not grace already there? Is there a moment when grace is not operating in you? Your remembrance is the forerunner of grace. That is the response, that is the stimulus, that is the Self and that is grace. There is no cause for anxiety.

Question: Can I dispense with outside help and by my own effort get to the deeper truth by myself?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: The very fact that you are possessed of the quest for the Self is a manifestation of the divine grace. It is effulgent in the Heart, the inner being, the real Self. It draws you from within. You have to attempt to get in from outside. Your attempt is the earnest quest; the deep inner movement is grace. That is why I say there is no real quest without grace, nor is there grace active for him who does not seek the Self. Both are necessary.

here are more Ramana's teachings on the subject of Guru and His Grace
http://www.hinduism.co.za/guru.htm

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Re: Liberation
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2011, 07:44:31 PM »
I don't know if you care about Nisargadatta Maharaj's teachings, but he said this about liberation and its possibility.


"Liberation is a natural process and, in the long run, inevitable. But it is within your power to bring it into the now."


Here is a story from a buddhist teacher Jack Kornfield who often visited Sri Nisargadatta.

"Somebody came in and asked a question and was
a little bit dissatisfied and left.  And another person raised their
hand and said, "Maharaj, what will happen to that person who came
and asked that question and left?  Is it all over for them in this
life? They didn't stay here.  You are a great guru, and they
weren't interested, and they went home." And he twinkled at
that moment, he really lit up, and he said, "It's too late?  Even
the fact that they put their foot in this room, even if they hadn't
asked the question, means that somewhere in there there's a seed of
really knowing who we are and what this life is about.
Not what you
were taught in elementary school or what's on TV or the newspapers,
but a deep seed of knowing our true nature, that wants to discover;
it's like coming home.  The fact that he just walked in the room means
that that seed has started to sprout. And no matter if he tries to
forget it and goes back and gets lost, sooner or later that will
manifest in awakening.
"

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Re: Liberation
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 08:42:30 AM »


Dear snow,

Excellent quotes from Sri Bhagavan and others.  Thanks.

Dear Jyoti,

Why only a few are blessed with grace?

Sri Bhagavan has said Grace is ever flowing. It is perennial nectar.
But you should bring a suitable vessel.  If you take to God or Guru,
only a spoon, only a spoonful of grace can be received.  If you take
a big vessel like a steam cooker, you will get it full of that vessel.  We should be a fit vessel.  What is  fitness?  Our SUBMISSION
or submission of ego.  If that small 'i' does not come in the way, the big 'I','I', will make you one like It.



Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: Liberation
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 01:14:37 PM »
Yes, as I already quoted Sri Bhagavan: "God and the Guru will only show the way to release; they will not by themselves take the soul to the state of release." The grace is always within, but almost everyone is looking outside so they can't feel this grace. Seeker's who are blessed with grace are those who are willing to turn within by either surrendering themselves or by investigation 'who am I?'


Question: May I have Guru’s grace?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Grace is always there.

Questioner: But I do not feel it.

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Surrender will make one understand the grace.

Questioner: I have surrendered heart and soul. I am the best judge of my heart. Still I do not feel the grace.

Sri Ramana Maharshi: If you had surrendered the question would not arise.

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Re: Liberation
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2011, 01:32:27 PM »



Dear snow,

Yes.  When we say "we surrender" we are not truthful.  It is all
partial surrender.  True surrender as Sri Bhagavan says in Who am
I? "Sacrificing one's own self, to the Iswara and ever be in Atma
Chintana."  He is called Atma Nishtaparan.  One he is said to have totally surrendered to godhead.

Talks with Sri Bhagavan:

Q: I find surrender is easier.  I want to adopt that path.

Sri Bhagavan:  By whatever path you go, you will have to lose yourself to the One.  Surrender is complete only when you reach
the stage 'Thou art all' and 'Thy will be done'.  Surrender appears easy because people imagine that, once they say with their lips,
'I surrender' and put their burdens on their Lord, they can be free and do what they like.  But the fact is in true surrender, you have no likes and dislikes after your surrender.  You will should become totally non existent, the Lord's will taking its place.  The death of ego in this way brings a state which is not different from Jnana, or oneness.



Arunachala Siva.