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Sai Baba of Shirdi
« on: December 29, 2010, 03:31:47 PM »
I was wondering what some thoughts on Sai Baba of Shirdi might be from devotees of Bhagavan?

If a favorable view is there any book on him in English that would be recommended?

My understanding of him is that he was basically Hindu, but spent a great deal of time in a mosque and had both Muslim and Hindu devotees?
Very interesting. Arthur Osborne mentioned in his autobiography that Sai Baba is not well known in the west. This is still somewhat true, but he's
not entirely unknown here in America.

Was just curious what the general view of him is here...

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Re: Sai Baba of Shirdi
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 04:19:28 PM »



Dear Om Hridayam,

1. I have not read Osborne's book on Shirdi Sai Baba.  I am told
that B.V. Narasimaswami, Sri Bhagavan's devotee, later spent his
years in Shirdi, as a Sai Baba devotee.  He is responsible for construction of  Chennai Sai Temple.  Narasimha Swami's biography
of Shirdi Sai Baba came even during Sri Bhagavan's times.  It was
read out in parts to Sri Bhagavan.  Sri Bhagavan did not say anything on that.   I have only read Sri Sai Sat Charitram, in Tamizh.

2. Shirdi Sai Baba was a siddha purusha, capable of all siddhis.
Sri Bhagavan did not recommend any siddhis to be achieved.
Shirdi Sai Baba always considered himself as a devotee of god
and said:  Allah oopar hai.  God is above us.  This is basically
duality.  Sri Bhagavan said that You are God. God is within you.
And not above and below.  I think, these are the basic diffeences between the two.

3. In today's world, particularly in  India, people embrace many
gurus simultaneously thinking that at least one of them would deliver goods, with practically no or a little effort on their parts
to realize the teachings of the guru.    That way, you can say, that there are Sai devotees who are also Sri Bhagavan's devotees, in
India today.

4. Sri Bhagavan's way is Pure Jnana marga, giving simultaneous importance for bhakti, devotion, devotion of the highest order,
i.e surrender.  I think, Shirdi Sai Baba stressed bhakti as paramount.

5. If you want to read Shirdi Sai Baba's teachings in English along
with biography, you may go through Sri Sai Sat Charitram.  It is available in all languages.  You can ask for a copy by writing to
Sri Sai Mandir, Mylapore, Cheannai - 600 004   This Charitram was
written by a contemporary of Sai Baba.



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Re: Sai Baba of Shirdi
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2010, 04:43:51 PM »
Dear Om Hridayam,

You can read Sri Sai Sat Charitram online if you wish in any of the below links.

http://www.saibaba.us/texts/Shri%20Sai%20Satcharitra.pdf

http://www.saibaba.org/saisatc.html

Infact i am also listening telugu pravachanam of Sri Sai Sat Charitra online available in Youtube.


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Re: Sai Baba of Shirdi
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2010, 01:41:32 PM »
He seems interesting, there are a good number of video clips on youtube..

Is Sri Ramana very popular and well known in India?

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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 02:22:14 PM »



Dear kde,

Since there are Ramana Kendras, centres for joint meditation,
discourses etc., in cities like Bangalore, Chennai, Mumbai, Hyderabad, Delhi, Ahmedabad and a few other centres, one can surmise that they are select devotees in all these centres, which covers India. I am not sure about urban and rural centres.  There could be some persons in these places too.  But there is no mass following for Sri Bhagavan throughout India as is there for certain bhakti movements.   



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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2010, 03:12:24 PM »
Surely Sri Shirdi Sai Baba is more popular than Bhagavan ramana maharshi.

But i feel bhagavan ramana is unique for me and none matches with him atleast for me.

bhagavan ramana implemented what he teached which is quite unique.

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2010, 10:39:02 PM »
It does not surprise me Sri Ramana is not so well known in India. Over time I think Ramana will be seen as one of the great teachers. Many in the west look to him.

Bhakti movements would be devotion to various saints. I take it.

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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2010, 08:39:55 AM »



Dear kde,

Yes.  Jnana Marga is quite tough since it begins with forsaking of the
ego.   People would like to keep their ego intact and do devotion,
good karmas, raja yoga practices etc.,  One day, all these would
blossom into surrender of ego.  This surrender of ego comes last
in devotional practices.  The Jnana Marga demands delinking the ego first.



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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 01:21:21 PM »
I don't know how one can truly start with forsaking of the ego. One can say that, but to do is another thing.

Maybe in the case of a great saint.

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 01:37:46 PM »



Dear kde,

Yes. For most of us, it is difficult.  That is why, one can begin
with devotion, make it ardent and eventually surrender to god.
The total surrender is nothing but submission of ego.  Then the
egoless state and self realization will come.



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Re: Sai Baba of Shirdi
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 10:42:45 PM »
Here is an interesting summary:

http://www.innerdirections.org/journal/biographies/the-fakir-sai-baba/

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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 01:19:21 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

I find devotion itself is a gift. I have only recently seen in that way. 

Devotion replaces the misery and the meaninglessness of life. If there is nothing else, it alone is more than enough.

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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 01:55:21 PM »



Dear kde,

Yes.  What sort of devotion?  Saint Manikkavachagar says in
Tirupadai Atchi, Verse 2 [Tiruvachakam]:  I cried like a calf.
You came running to give me milk, like a cow.  KanRai ninainthezhu
thaayena vanda kanakkathu aahathe...  When we cry like a calf,
the cow will come running to feed us the milk of grace.  We are
all the cows. He is Pasupathi.  the owner of the cows.



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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 04:40:29 PM »
Dear kde,

Forsaking ego cannot happen in the future. The very mechanism that enables one to find difficulty in the Now is non other than the same mechanism that needs to be destroyed.
Even observing this fact how acceptance of what is gets resistance in itself destroys that mechanism.
Ego is time-bound.

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 06:20:21 PM »



Dear amiatall,

Yes. I agree that the ego should be done away with in one stroke,
here and now.  But this is possible only in serious self enquiry.
But in devotion, which becomes total surrender in due course, this
ego has to be worn down slowly. 

It is said in the Tiruvachakam, Koil Tirupadigam, Verse 7:

"The truth that there is nothing other than You,
[I realize]
Approaching, approaching O Lord of holy Tiruperundurai, you
have worn me down, more and more, to an atom's size, till I
becoming less and less, became One with You.  You are the One
there is nothing other than You, who can understand this state
of You?"   



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