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Adi Daa's Ratings
« on: December 14, 2010, 08:36:35 PM »
Great western spiritualist Adi Daa says :-
 
(1) Buddha = Ramana = 6,
(2) Jesus = 5 and
(3) Adi Daa ( himself )  = 7.
O Divine, lead me to dizzy heights of sublimity & loftiness

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 09:37:00 AM »



Dear soham3,

Those who speak do not know/realize.
Those who know/realize do not speak.



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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2010, 10:22:04 AM »
Dear Soham,

There is no universal rating of spiritual persons. It varies from person to person.
For a child, his father is a hero and gets the highest rating. For a disciple, his Guru is the best and gets the highest rating. However rating does not help one to progress spiritually. On the other hand, one should try to squeeze the maximum juice of bhakti from whichever form of God appeals to one. Sri Ramakrishna said: We have come to eat mangoes and not count the leaves and branches of the mango tree.

Anyway, thanks for your journalism. Its interesting. It also shows the reach of mathematics beyond the emperical world.
Homage to the Universal Being...Om Shanti ... Om Shanti ... Om Shanti ...

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2010, 06:18:08 PM »



Bhagavan Ramana Himself has said that He is not seeing anyone
as Ajnani.  For Him, all are Jnanis only.  He further added that there is no Jnani at all, there is only Jnanam.

Even when Kaivalya Navaneetam's verse was quoted, [where it is said that there are four types of Brahma Jnanis],  Bhagavan had
said that these are all theoretical.

Annamalai Swami however, made a distinction.  He said that there are two types of Brahma Jnanis. One is like a lamp.  He gives light only to the people nearby.  They do not attract very many people.  Like Akka Mahadevi, Chengottai Avudai Akka and Sadasiva Brahmendra.  However, the other type is like a conflagration, a forest fire.  It gives light to many many people.  Like Sri Bhagavan and Sri Ramakrishna.



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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2010, 07:33:27 PM »
I don't quite understand the evaluation of the ocean. Do you?

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 08:01:12 AM »



Dear amiatall,

When we are discussing in this Forum about Brahma Jnanis'
ratings, calling  them as conflagration or calling them as ocean,
it occurs to me that if Bhagavan Ramana were to be with us,
He will ask each one of us:  "Who is making this rating?  Who
is labelling?  Who is asking these questions, find him out,
find that Who he is?"



Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 12:51:41 PM »
well said Subramanian garu.

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 01:19:46 PM »



Dear prasanth,

Mr. N.R. Krishnmoorty Iyer was in T'malai during his young years
and had even met Bhagavan in Virupaksha Cave several times.
Later for about a decade and a half, he went away for studies,
became postgraduate and was also filling his brain with a lot of
Western philosophy.   With freedom movement all over the country,
he developed an aversion for 'simply sitting' Jnanis like Sri Bhagavan.  Once he had to come to T'malai and he spoke to
T.K. Sundaresa Iyer, [a devotee of Sri Bhagavan and also friend
of NRK].  He found that since it was some festival time, the house where he was placed was rather crowded and noisy.  TKS told
NRK:  Both of us can go to Asramam and stay there.  It is a better place.  NRK agreed, but told TKS:  I shall not, if I come there,
prostrate to Sri Bhagavan.  I shall even ask Him some inconvenient questions and your vanity should not be affected.  TKS said:  You
can still come with me.  There is no need to prostrate to Sri Bhagavan. You may even ask many questions if you want.  Both
went inside the Asramam.  Sri Bhagavan was sitting on a wooden chair under the Iluppai  Tree, which you can see even today, inside the Asramam before you take steps towards the temples.  There
NRK saw Bhagavan and immediately prostrated!  TKS was laughing
within.  Then NRK somehow adjusted his state and then asked
Sri Bhagavan: "Swami what is your Stithi?"  Stithi means State.
NRK's brain was ready with all answers and counter questions. If
He says I am liberated,  then he can ask what is liberation? If he
says that I shall die.  Then he can ask what is death?  What is
rebirth? etc., etc.,

Sri Bhagavan gazed at NRK for full ten minutes.  The gaze that would pierce one's Heart.  Then, as if a bomb had exploded underneath NRK, came the counter question:  What is your Stithi?
Now, if he says, he will die, then Sri Bhagavan would ask What is death?  If he says that he will go to heavens, then Sri Bhagavan
would ask What is heavens?  Where is it? 

NRK's out-turned mind now went inside. What is my stithi?  What will happen to me after death?  Who am I?  Slowly the mind went and touched the Self and then the pulsating I,I danced merrily
and reveals Itself.  Aham Sphurana.

For some people, such "rating exercise" sends the mind inward for
their own good.  Is it not?       

Sri Bhagavan says in Verse 28 of Sri AAMM:

To feed on You I came. O Arunachala!  But I have become Your
food and am now at peace, effectively consumed by You.     



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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 02:12:29 PM »



Dear amiatall,

When we are discussing in this Forum about Brahma Jnanis'
ratings, calling  them as conflagration or calling them as ocean,
it occurs to me that if Bhagavan Ramana were to be with us,
He will ask each one of us:  "Who is making this rating?  Who
is labelling?  Who is asking these questions, find him out,
find that Who he is?"



Arunachala Siva. 

Indeed. In this case there would be no forum. :)
But this forum has its own purpose and it does it perfectly. How He operates one can only marvel and pray in awe.
If a raindrop touches ocean it is finished automatically. The rates are because one sees itself as a raindrop.


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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 04:56:17 PM »



Dear amiatall,

Absolutely correct.  In fact Bhagavan Ramana always used the method of begging the question/doubt of the questioner, to drive home the point. 

Once Paul Brunton asked:  "Bhagavan!  To attain the Self, should
I leave all my possessions?"  Bhagavan Ramana replied:  "Leave
the possessor too."  If possesor is forsaken and the Self within is
held on, there is no discussions on Jnanis, their grades etc.,   

On another occasion, a Vaishnavite came to Sri Bhagavan and asked Him  as to how to control the mind.  Sri Bhagavan asked
him:  In  Your Vaishnava Siddhanta, what is mind?  The gentleman
replied:  In our Sampradaya, [practice], Vishnu is antaryami, the indweller in the Heart and Mind is Thaayar, mother, Sri Lakshmi.
Then Bhagavan asked him:  If mind is Sri Lakshmi, why should you control her?  Just pray to her to give way to attain the Antaryami.
Why should trouble yourself to control Sri Lakshmi, who is the Mother?"

On another occasion, one gentleman came and asked Bhagavan
Sri Ramana:  "What is the Sampradaya [daily rituals and practices]
here.  Because I do not see anything.  The bell rings and breakfast is served.  The bell again rings, lunch is served.  Again the bell rings, supper is served."  Sri Bhagavan did not reply.  Then after sometime, He asked him, 'What is your sampradaya?"  The gentleman asnwered:  "In the mornings we do pujas and after
dinner, we do so many fixed counts of Japa mantras.  And before going to bed, we submit everything to our Guru."  Sri Bhagavan
replied:  "Oh, yet is good.  It is like keeping the principal and giving interest to the guru."  The gentleman did not understand it.
Just then Muruganar arrived.  Sri Bhagavan told Muruganar the entire conversation.  Muruganar replied:  "Oh, Bhagavan!  Their
guru is much better.  He collects only the interest [the merits of
japa mantras], but allows them to retain the Principal.  Here,
our Guru swallows  the Principal itself.   Everyone laughed.  The
gentleman became more confounded. 

We always keep the Principal [ego] and give only whatever we do
as submission to our Guru.  But Sri Ramana Guru does not even allow that.  He takes way the ego, the Principal too.  Without ego,
without principal, what we can do, what we can submit to our guru?  We submit 'ourselves' totally to Him to ensure liberation.

Muruganar has once said:  Where is the time for japa etc.,  There is no ego here.  Bhagavan is Uyir UNNi.  i.e. one who eats the individual soul, or the ego!



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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 02:57:02 PM »
Adi Da treated his own disciples in the worst way.
You should probably read up on that.
He did unbelievably nasty things to them that I wouldn't even write down in a forum like this.

He was very intelligent, but his spirituality is a counterfeit.
It's pretty obvious he's "stacking the deck" here isn't it?

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 05:05:02 PM »



Dear Om Hridayam, simple knowledge about spiritual ideas and
spiritual goals can make one only a teacher.  But a teacher is not
a Guru.  Guru is one who has realized the Truth and can also through his grace take the disciples towards the Truth.  Of course, self effort is a must and guru's grace is equally important.  Such Guru's life itself is a teaching.

However, the teachers whom I mentioned first fumbled in their lives
and ultimately proved that it is all prattle without practice.  Even
J.K. fumbled at the dusk of his life, when he slept with disciple
Rajagopal's wife Ms. Rosalind.  Ms. Rosalind became pregnant and
JK took her to a doctor for abortion.  What a great fall.   



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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 08:00:28 PM »
Ah but it is one thing to have a fall and learn from it and quite another to carry on with evil, selfish behavior all the way through their lives.

This is just one of many examples of what Adi Da did to his "disciples": He made two married heterosexual men have sex with each other in front of their wives.
Simply for his own amusement.

This kind of behavior is WAY beyond the norm for what could be considered a "slip-up" Most non-spiritual people would never treat people so badly
much less someone proclaiming themselves the most spiritual person in history (Above Buddha and Ramana) The level to which he stretched
human decency is genuinely hard to understand. I have no respect for him or Rajneesh/Osho and I can only consider them to be spiritual counterfeits.

Having said that please understand that criticising a teacher is something I hesitate very strongly to do. It takes quite a bit to make my opinion so strongly
against someone.

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2010, 08:30:47 AM »



I do not know much about Adi Da.  But Rajneesh I know through
my friends and news papers.  He had 364 Rolls Royces, zero
enlightenment and an AIDS carrying body.



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