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Non-existent Mind
« on: December 08, 2010, 09:45:03 PM »
Ramana said there is no mind. Yoga-Vasishtha says world is son of a barren woman. So we are all imagining mind & world but in reality they are not there.
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Re: Non-existent Mind
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 08:08:26 AM »



Dear soham3,

Yes.  There is no mind, but there are thoughts.  Thoughts are the gross form of the non existent mind.  Of these, "I thought" is the
first thought for anyone.  This "I thought" imagines the world and
suffer.

Question to Sri Annamalai Swami:

Does the mind die gradually or suddenly?

Annamalai Swami:  One answer is: "When the sun comes up,
does darkness disappear suddenly or gradually?"

Bhagavan, speaking on this topic, once remarked: "Someone
mistakes a rope hanging in darkness, for a snake.  He then
asks:  "How many years it will take for the snake to die?"

This is the better answer:  If the mind, does not exist, it cannot die either quickly or slowly.

[From Final Talks, David Godman]



Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Non-existent Mind
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 03:40:50 PM »
Gaudapada propounded Ajatavada & Drishti-Srishtivada.
   There is another view which says there was sphota in Brahman. A big sound resembling AUM got projected. This sound carried infinite pranic energy. So it is also called PRANAVA. Part of this sound got translated into Light. And  Light got converted into Matter. And thus universe came into existence.
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Re: Non-existent Mind
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 05:15:03 PM »



Yes.  Gaudapada says AUM is the primordial sound that arose from
Brahman. From this, all creations came about, got sustenance and
then finally withdrawn.  Sri Bhagavan explains the same with Arunachala [as Brahman] in Verse 2 of Sri Arunachala Pancharatnam.

But in Ajatavada, all creations, sustenanance and dissolution are
from the point of view of seer.

Gaudapada says in his Karika, [Vaithathya Prakaranam, Verse 32]:

Na nirodho na chotpattir
Nbaddho na cha sadhakaha
Na mumukshur na vai mukta
Ityesha paramartha.

There is no creation, and no dissolution.  No bondage, no one
doing spiritual practices, no one seeking spiritual liberation,,
and no one is liberated.  One who establishes in the Self sees this by his knowledge of Reality.

Gaudapada compares this to Alata Shanti, Quenching of the Firebrand. 4.47.

As a firebrand, when set in motion, appears as straight, crooked etc., so also consciousness, when set in motion, appears as
the perceiver, the perceived, and the like.   When consciousness [individual consciousness - mind] is at rest, then the firebrand is quenched and there is only Consciousness, Atma Nishta.



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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 08:47:05 PM »
There is no contradiction between Seer and Brahman. After one attains Self-Knowledge, individuality is lost forever like river discharged into ocean.
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Re: Non-existent Mind
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2010, 10:28:09 AM »



Dear soham3,

Very true.  While all world's religions speak of individual soul
and God as separate entities, whereas Hinduism said that you
are God or Brahman and what prevents you from understanding
this Unity is your ego.   Bhagavan Ramana says this metaphorically
in Verse 8 of Sri Arunachala Ashtakam:

The rain drops showered down by the clouds, risen from the sea
[and running as rivers] cannot rest until they reach, despite all hindrance, once again their ocean home.  The embodied soul from You proceeding may through various ways self-chosen, wander aimless for a while, but cannot rest till it rejoins You, the Source.
A bird may hover here and there and cannot in sky stay
all the time. It must come back the way it went to find at last
on earth alone its resting place.  Even so, the soul must turn to
You, O Aruna Hill, and merge again in You alone, Ocean of Bliss.



Arunachala Siva.