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Re: Dream more real than Waking
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2010, 03:44:23 PM »
In fact, one should practise feeling Transcendental Awareness in Waking state. In a few years, one may attain Turiya.
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Re: Dream more real than Waking
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2010, 05:17:05 PM »



Yes.  Bhagavan says that just because mind is at rest, in deep
sleep, one cannot attain brahma jnanam by continuously sleeping.
One should keep awake and investigate one's true nature, by quelling the mind.



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Re: Dream more real than Waking
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2010, 08:51:15 PM »
We have been fed on cognitions, perceptions, memory, objective knowledge et cetera. Once mind is divested of these things, only Brahman remains.
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Re: Dream more real than Waking
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2010, 10:15:10 AM »



Dear soham3,

Bhagavan Ramana has made in Tamizh verses a Sanskrit scripture,
titled Devi Kalottara Jnanam.  The Supreme Knowledege Beyond
Time, a teaching told by Siva to Sakti.  A few verses from that:

21.  In our natural state, actions, cause and result of such actions,
and all the various other theories propounded in the scriptures do not exist.  In fact, even the diverse world does not exist.  As such
even the worldly individual who is attached to the various attractions of the world is also non-existent.

22.  The entire universe is nothing but the niralamba, the reality
which exists without support.  Further, it shines being illumined
by the niralamba. The Yogi with his mind turned inward, merges with this whole, becoming one with it, by making every object
in this world one with it.  Know this.

23.  If any person does not meditate on this great all pervading
void, which is the Space of Consciousness - Chidakasa, he will be a samsari [a worldly individual], forever in bondage to worldly attachments, like the silkworm in itself made cocoon.  Understand this.

24.  All living beings, of whatever genus, undergo great misery
over and over again.  Hear from me.  In order to avert all this suffering, and sorrow, meditate on the great void, constantly without break.

27. The mind, hankering after things of the world, is more restless than a monkey.  If one controls it from wandering after external things and holds it in the void of non-matter, one will attain liberation directly.

28.  The full Consciousness [Purna Chit] which is not other than the true import of the word 'I', and though being other than the erroneous conviction, 'I am this body', it permeates all principles [tattvas].  It is the all pervading Reality. 

29.  This complete wholeness pervades inside and outside all creations like ether, merging with them, and is itself formless.
Dear, those who are submerged in this supreme bliss become that supreme bliss themselves.  See, how wonderful!

30.  The expanding mind will attain peace, becoming still of its own accord, if it is deprived of something to hold on to, just as fire gets extinguished gradually if not fed with fuel.



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Re: Dream more real than Waking
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2010, 12:57:25 AM »
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "Dreams are just as -unreal- as waking" since there is only one "real" state and that one never changes?

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Re: Dream more real than Waking
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2010, 09:30:24 AM »



Yes.  You are correct.

Bhagavan Ramana has said in entry dated 5th Jan. 1946, in
Day by Day with Bhagavan:-

There is no difference between dream and the waking state,
except that the dream is short and the waking long.  Both are
result of the mind.  Because the waking state is long, we imagine
that it is our real state.  But, as a matter of fact, our real state is
what is sometimes called Turiya or the fourth state, which is always
as it is and knows nothing of the three avasthas, [literally meaning,
that which changes] waking, dream or deep sleep.  Because we call these three avasthas we call the fourth state also as turiya avastha.  But it is not an avastha, but the real and natural state of the Self.....



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