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« Reply #5205 on: November 09, 2017, 01:48:39 PM »
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"Did you read Japji sahib of Sikh religion ? That is a fantastic text of Advaita Bhakti !"


Dear Sri Udai, thanks very much for your recommendation. Now-a-days I do not read much. My reading is confined these days to Sri Bhagwan's own Works and other books on Him and His Teaching, Gospel (Sri Ramamkrishna's) and a few great Tamil Works.
No, I have not read Sri Japji Sahib. I have not even heard his name. However, because you have spoken so highly of him, and even recommended his Text of Advaita Bhakti, which I understand as 'Ananya Bhakti', that is, Bhakti or Love in which there is no other, I would like to go through the same when I feel like it, and when I happen to get it.

Pranam,
 Anil   
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« Reply #5206 on: November 09, 2017, 02:00:01 PM »
If we cannot see the Self, what is to be done?




And thus Spake Bhagwan Sri Ramana:

"Strenuous endeavour to know the Self. Develop the antarmukham or introspective attitude. Constantly put before your mind the query 'What am I?' and in time you will be able to see your Self. How can you see your Self? You can see that which you have not seen before. But as to what you are always experiencing, there is no drishti (vision), strictly speaking. By drishti, the removal of the hindrance, viz., the idea that you are not seeing the Self, is meant."
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« Reply #5207 on: November 09, 2017, 04:17:52 PM »
Dear Anil ji,
    :) Japji sahib is a song, a chant in sikh religion.
you can listen to this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbftHnxqUfk&t=13s

And the text can be found here :

https://www.allaboutsikhs.com/jupji-sahib/learn-jupji-sahib-onlinemool-mantra-a-pauri-1-2

Its about pure grace of God. with interspersed statements that we cannot grasp him with our intellect and mind.

The reason i pointed out this to you is because you seem to be enjoying sant kabir's sayings [as even i do a lot.]. Guru granth sahib has lot of his sayings ... this is what wiki has to say :
Bhagat Kabir (Gurmukhi: ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ) was a Devotee and Spiritual Poet lived in Uttar Pardesh, India. He was a strict monotheist and follower, probably founder, of Gurmat. In Guru Granth Sahib, There are 227 Padas in 17 ragas and 237 slokas of Kabir.


sample: :) -- to make you more curious

sochai soch n hovee jae sochee lakh vaar ||
By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.

chupai chup n hovee jae laae rehaa liv thaar ||
By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

naanak hukamai jae bujhai th houmai kehai n koe ||2||
O Nanak, one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego. ||2||

[i would replace hukamai with not command but "by his grace" ]

Love!
Silence     
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« Reply #5208 on: November 09, 2017, 05:00:39 PM »
Dear Sri Anil,

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Yes, thanks very much, for your beautiful post. However, I wish to say that I never discerned Sri Bhagwan's physical features so minutely though I am aware from such descriptions as above that even His mortal coil was so beautiful and captivating, to say the least . He is always in my consciousness though it is always His Divine Gaze only, which initiated me.  His all-erasing, divine Gaze is always there, standing before me, driving unceasingly home the truth that neither He is the body nor I, that He is the Consciousness, and so is every thing else, of course, including me.

I do not know why,but this description of Bhagavan i find very,very beautiful. In fact,everything i have read about Bhagavan in that book is so beautiful,so sweet. I just love it.

And sure,ultimately Bhagavan is what else but Consciousness,which is again nothing else but Bhagavan. He indeed bearest the burden of His devotees,to show us that everything here is transient and not lasting,that this world itself is the play of the opposites,that we are not the body,but the Soul  Eternal and Infinite,for He was Love embodied. And this indeed is such act of Love. That body died,but it is so sweet,for on it,this very Consciousness  was manifested so vividly and so strongly. His look of Grace will remain forever,for it is look of Love,look which pulls us to Reality itself,as You beautifully said.


All stones in that place Arunachala are lingams. It is indeed the abode of Lord Siva.
All trees are the wish-granting trees of Indra's heaven. Its rippling waters are the Ganges,
flowing through our Lord's matted locks. The food eaten there is the ambrosia of the Gods.
To go round it in pradakshina is to perform pradakshina of the world.
Words spoken there are holy scripture, and to fall asleep there is to be absorbed in samadhi,
beyond the mind's delusion. Could there be any other place which is its equal?

Arunachala Puranam

Thank You dear friend,

With love,

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« Reply #5209 on: November 10, 2017, 10:10:39 AM »
जब मैं था तब हरी नहीं, अब हरी है मैं नाही |
सब अँधियारा मिट गया, दीपक देखा माही ||

Sri Kabir

When the mundane 'I' was there, there Hari (God) was not. Now Hari alone Is, and mundane 'I' has disappeared. When I saw the Light (Deepak) within, all darkness vanished and was not seen anymore. (Trans. by me-anil)
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Re: Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is enough
« Reply #5210 on: November 10, 2017, 10:12:42 AM »
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"The reason i pointed out this to you is because you seem to be enjoying sant kabir's sayings [as even i do a lot.]. Guru granth sahib has lot of his sayings ... this is what wiki has to say :
Bhagat Kabir (Gurmukhi: ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ) was a Devotee and Spiritual Poet lived in Uttar Pardesh, India. He was a strict monotheist and follower, probably founder, of Gurmat. In Guru Granth Sahib, There are 227 Padas in 17 ragas and 237 slokas of Kabir."





Dear Sri Udai,

Though the great Warrior and the last Sikh Guru Sri Guru Gobind Singh was born in Patna Sahib, and His Birth Place and Takht Harmindar Sahib are located at a distance of just about 10 K.M. from my residence in Patna, I have never read anything of substance on great Sikh Religion. What would you say? Bodhi Tree under which Lord Sri Gautam Budha was enlightened is situated at about just 100 K.M. from my place, but I never visited it, though I planned several times to go to Bodh Gaya. And I do not know much about Bodhism either. However, yes, I am aware that Guru Granth Sahib contains a large number of Sri Kabir's Dohe. Yet, I am not certain whether Sri Kabir Das was the founder of Gurumat or not.

Yes, Sri Kabir's Dohe are very popular in this part of the country, and everyone here keeps reciting them, given an opportunity to do so. These Dohe have been composed using mostly colloquial words in colloquial language and are so cryptic that I hardly understood them before coming to Sri Bhagwan. It is certainly Sri Bhagwan's Grace that I am now not only able to understand and grasp Sri Kabir's immortal Dohe and nectarine Verses of the Gita, but contemplate deeply on them.

Dear friend, Sri Udai, I have downloaded and read Japji by using the link given by you. However, I shall request you to kindly elaborate the following a little more:       

"chupai chup n hovee jae laae rehaa liv thaar ||
By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within."


Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5211 on: November 10, 2017, 10:49:51 AM »
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"And sure, ultimately Bhagavan is what else but Consciousness, which is again nothing else but Bhagavan. He indeed bearest the burden of His devotees, to show us that everything here is transient and not lasting, that this world itself is the play of the opposites, that we are not the body, but the Soul  Eternal and Infinite, for He was Love embodied."




Dear Sri Jewell,


Your understanding and insights have always echoed Sri Bhagwan's and Sri Maharaj's Teachings, and therefore, going through such posts of yours always fill my heart with joy.



 
Quote:
"All stones in that place Arunachala are lingams. It is indeed the abode of Lord Siva.
All trees are the wish-granting trees of Indra's heaven. Its rippling waters are the Ganges,
flowing through our Lord's matted locks. The food eaten there is the ambrosia of the Gods.
To go round it in pradakshina is to perform pradakshina of the world.
Words spoken there are holy scripture, and to fall asleep there is to be absorbed in samadhi,
beyond the mind's delusion. Could there be any other place which is its equal?"




Dear Sri Jewell, Yes, this is beautiful. I suppose that you have never been to Sri Arunachala. You who loved and worshipped Sri Arunachala so much from afar must visit at least once to the Abode where every Stone is the Lingam.


Thanks very much, dear friend, Sri Jewell.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5212 on: November 10, 2017, 04:18:37 PM »
Dear Anil ji,
       :)

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"chupai chup n hovee jae laae rehaa liv thaar ||
By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within."

usually we look at silence as absence of sounds. When we look at silence in contrast to sound, we are still stuck in the realm of duality.
This is with reference to the physical silence. We all agree to this.
But often, we take mental silence to be the true "inner silence" !
If we observe carefully, we are still contrasting between "mental movements vs lack of mental movements" . that is still duality.
please see...
True inner silence is neither physical silence, nor mental silence, its that Awareness in whose presence physical and mental silence keep appearing and disappearing.

To put it in more technical terms: there are two kinds of samadhi ... citta samadhi is what people often talk about. citta samadhi means lack of thoughts  ... there is another kind of samadhi called cit samadhi, which means to abide in Awareness ... there ... the body continues as it is, mind continues as it is ... and this is true silence ... its not disturbed by thoughts , nor is it disturbed by sounds ! :)

True jnana is not to "control" , "vanquish" or even "kill" mind ... true jnana is to recognize that mind is a mirage , unreal , like a snake seen on a rope ... and then one makes no attempt to stop the snake from moving, nor does one try to get rid of the snake.

This kind of silence, which is undisturbed restufulness in the presence and absence of thoughts is not obtained by inner absorption ... its one's true nature ... one may discover it through total self surrender or more precisely right knowledge.

Love!
Silence

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« Reply #5213 on: November 10, 2017, 04:52:22 PM »
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Dear Sri Jewell, Yes, this is beautiful. I suppose that you have never been to Sri Arunachala. You who loved and worshipped Sri Arunachala so much from afar must visit at least once to the Abode where every Stone is the Lingam.

Yes,i never have visited Arunachala,and i simply cannot wait to come. Truly,the day when i start that journey,that day will be the happiest and most beautiful in my whole life!

Thank You,my dear friend!

With love,

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« Reply #5214 on: November 10, 2017, 05:10:45 PM »
जब मैं था तब हरी नहीं, अब हरी है मैं नाही |
सब अँधियारा मिट गया, दीपक देखा माही ||

Sri Kabir

When the mundane 'I' was there, there Hari (God) was not. Now Hari alone Is, and mundane 'I' has disappeared. When I saw the Light (Deepak) within, all darkness vanished and was not seen anymore. (Trans. by me)


:) Beautiful. Shared on my facebook as well.

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« Reply #5215 on: November 11, 2017, 10:07:38 AM »
साहेब  तेरी  साहिबी , सब  घट  रही  समाय  |
ज्यो  मेहंदी  के  पात  में , लाली  लाखी  न  जाय  ||


saheb teri sahibi, sab ghat rahi samai;
jyon mehendi ke pat me, lali lakhi na jai.
 
O Master! Your Mastery (Your Essence) abides in all beings. But just as redness in the leaves of the henna plant (मेहंदी) is not discernible, likewise You are invisible (hidden) and cannot be known (by the senses). (translation by me-anil)


 
 
Dear devotees, to obtain the red pattern on the palm from henna leaves, one  first grinds them into a fine paste and then apply the paste on the palm in a desired pattern. When the paste dries and hand is washed, red pattern appears on the palm. In the same way, one must purify (grind) the mind by meditation on God to know or realize Him.




Dear Sri Udai, the reason why I am translating one Sri Kabir's Doha every day and posting it here is that I never found anywhere adequate and at least fairly accurate translation of the great Sage, Sri Kabir's profound Dohe (Verses). By Sri Bhagwan's Grace, endeavouring to translate them has given me occasions to deeply contemplate and mediate on them. Please see the use of the word 'लाखी' in the first line of the cited Verse, which again only means 'to know'. 

Dear Sri Udai, I have gone through your beautiful and brilliant post in response to my little query. I hope to come to it sometime in the day.

Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5216 on: November 11, 2017, 10:54:28 AM »
Quote from Sri Nishta:
"What is the most obvious?
What is always there when one looks?
Is it not the sense of "me", the sense "I exist"!"

"Maharshi says, "Asked who wakes up from sleep you say 'I'. Now you are told to hold fast to this 'I'. If it is done the eternal being will reveal itself.""

"How wonderful! How beautifully clear! That unavoidable and obvious "me-ness", that is always there when one looks. Just attend to it. Attend to it. Attend to it. And "the eternal being will reveal itself." Or more aptly (perhaps!), the "me-ness" fades away."




Dear Sri Nishta,

When I saw your post I felt an urge to respond, right there in your thread. But since you have locked it, you get my response here.

Yes, your understanding, in my view, is impeccable. However, I wish to say that if you have mentioned 'me-ness' as a metaphor to indicate the 'I'-ness, that's alright. But, in my view, the appropriate form of Enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is : 'Who Am I? or Whence Am I? What Am I?', etc., and not 'who is me? Or whence am me?', etc. Sri Bhagwan Himself never asked anybody to get rid of 'me-ness' but always 'I'-ness only. For, when 'I'-ness disappears, with it disappear 'my-ness' and 'me-ness' as well. This is so because, in my view, the nominative case of the pronoun 'I' is more intimate, more direct than its possessive case and objective case 'my' and 'me' respectively. Yet, having said thus, I wish to say that if the thought-wave has been arrested adequately, and one is able to contact the state of being, and remains as mere being (Summa Iru), this will not affect and make any difference in one's meditation. 

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil       
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« Reply #5217 on: November 11, 2017, 01:33:16 PM »
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"True inner silence is neither physical silence, nor mental silence, its that Awareness in whose presence physical and mental silence keep appearing and disappearing."



Dear Sri Udai,

Yes, there is no doubt whatever that in Awareness or in the Silence of the Self, physical silence as well as the mental silence will keep appearing and disappearing. You have said it all so beautifully.
It reminds me of the topic 'Silence is the perennial language', which I started, and posted a form of blank space to convey my idea of the silence at that time. Pat came your response in which you said which implied the same as the above quote conveys: That silence is not disturbed by words or speech. You add here mental silence to which I whole-heartedly concur.  This was perhaps in 2010.  I was very happy with your response and from that time on, I have always felt connected with you by the bond of love and friendship.

 

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"True jnana is not to "control" , "vanquish" or even "kill" mind ... true jnana is to recognize that mind is a mirage , unreal , like a snake seen on a rope ... and then one makes no attempt to stop the snake from moving, nor does one try to get rid of the snake."


Dear Sri Udai, I also agree totally with what you have said as in above quote, except that mind is so tenacious, and it finds subtle ways to escape its destruction or transcendence. Therefore, a struggle is inevitable, as Sri Nishta said so beautifully, before ego-body-mind complex is revealed to be illusory, for most of the sadhaks. I do not think that mere mental recognition is enough. 


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"This kind of silence, which is undisturbed restufulness in the presence and absence of thoughts is not obtained by inner absorption ... its one's true nature ... one may discover it through total self surrender or more precisely right knowledge."


Before, I say something regarding the above, I wish to know as to what is meant by 'inner absorption' in Japji's text as well as in the above quote. In fact, this was the question I wanted to ask of you. 



Thanks very much, dear friend, Sri Udai.
Pranam,
 Anil

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« Reply #5218 on: November 11, 2017, 01:38:24 PM »
कस्त्वं कोऽहं कुत आयातः
का मे जननी को मे तातः ।
इति परिभावय सर्वमसारम्
विश्वं त्यक्त्वा स्वप्नविचारम् ॥

V. २३, Bhaj Govindam

Who are you? Who am I? From where do I come? Who is my mother, who is my father? Ponder thus, look at everything as essence-less and give up the world as an idle dream.

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« Reply #5219 on: November 11, 2017, 02:33:16 PM »
Thus spake  Bhagwan Sri Ramana:
"Of course, we are employing the mind. It is well known and admitted that only with the help of the mind, can the mind be killed. But instead of setting about saying there is a mind and I want to kill it, you begin to seek its source, and then you find it does not exist at all. The mind turned outwards results in thoughts and objects. Turned inwards it becomes itself the Self."
"By steady and continuous investigation into the nature of the mind, the mind is transformed into That to which 'I' refers; and that is in fact the Self. The mind has necessarily to depend for its existence on something gross; it never subsists by itself. It is the mind that is otherwise called the subtle body, ego, jiva or soul."



Dear devotees, what is meant by cessation or destruction of the mind? Cessation or destruction of the mind and its transformation into That, that is, into the Self, are the one and same. It does not mean that one becomes mindless, like an inert stone. 

Pranam,
 Anil
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