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« Reply #5145 on: October 25, 2017, 05:35:33 PM »
Dear Anil ji,
      That is so much like Bhaja Govindam isnt it ?
:)

The second and third verses are almost the same...
second one is : ma kuru dhana jana yavvana garvam harati nimeshat kalat sarvam. [do not pride in money, people support and youth, in one twinkling of the eye time may take away everything]
third one is : yavat pavano nivasati dehe , tavat prchati kushalam gehe gatavati vayo dehapaye bharya bibhyati tasmin kaye [as long as you breathe in air, people ask about your wellfare, the moment air or prana leaves this body, even your wife shall fear this body]

infact even the first one seems to be :
ka the kanta, dana gata cinta, vatula kim tava nasti niyanta ?

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« Reply #5146 on: October 26, 2017, 11:35:37 AM »
मूढ जहीहि धनागमतृष्णां
कुरु सद्बुद्धिं मनसि वितृष्णाम् ।
यल्लभसे निजकर्मोपात्तं
वित्तं तेन विनोदय चित्तम् ॥
V. 2, Bhaj Govindam

Oh fool ! Give up your thirst to amass wealth, devote your
mind to thoughts to the Real. Be content with what comes
through actions already performed in the past.




यावत्पवनो निवसति देहे
तावत्पृच्छति कुशलं गेहे ।
गतवति वायौ देहापाये
भार्या बिभ्यति तस्मिन्काये ॥
V.6, Bhaj Govindam

When one is alive, his family members enquire kindly about his
welfare. But when the soul departs from the body, even his wife
runs away in fear of the corpse.





Dear Sri Udai,

Yes, the import of the song that the Master, Sri Ramakrishna sang, is almost the same as expounded in Bhaj Govindam by Jagat Guru Sri Shankaracharya. However, in my view, Bhaj Govindam is much more profound. It is supposed to be the 'Prakarana Grantha' or a prelude to His Major Works, such as Vivek Chudamani, etc. Though the immortal song has been sung as a bhajan, it contains the essence of the Vedanta and almost all His later compositions. And I am sure that you know about Jagat Guru and His compositions better than me. However, I was struck by its simplicity, compared to His other compositions, in which the Verses of the Bhaj Govindam implore man to think as to why he is here to solve what purpose, in this life; as to why man amasses so much wealth, creates and maintains so many relationships, yet has no peace at all. Why? What is the purpose of life for which we came? The song itself thus is capable of awakening in one the spiritual consciousness which sets him on a path back to the Atma-swarupa or the Self or one's Real Nature.



Thanks very much, dear friend, Sri Udai.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5147 on: October 28, 2017, 12:27:40 PM »
जो  तू  चाहे  मुक्ति  को , छोड़  दे  सबकी  आस  |
मुक्त  ही  जैसा  हो  रहे , सब  कुछ  तेरे  पास  ||

Sri Kabir


If you want salvation you should shun all desires and expectations. Once you gain salvation, and remain as That, you gain everything.

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« Reply #5148 on: October 28, 2017, 12:29:30 PM »
Dear Devotees,

I just saw Sri Atmavichar's questions and few beautiful responses his questions have elicited. I also felt an urge to say a few words regarding the same, as following:

Questions are: "How does though originate ? What determines the difference in thoughts that emerge in various people's minds? Is it past karma, present karma or is the whole thing just random?"



Dear devotees, it would be, in my view, more appropriate to ask why thoughts arise, and not how thoughts arise. Sri Bhagwan has taught that the ego's perfection is suddenly broken at a point and a want is felt giving rise to a thought of a desire or a thought to get something or do something. And when that want is cured by the fulfillment, the ego is happy and the original perfection is restored. This is why happiness is said to be our real nature.
 
Though It is only One, yet by Its wondrous Power It gets reflected on the tiny dot 'I' (the ego) otherwise known as ignorance or the aggregate of latent tendencies. The tiny dot 'I', made up of darkness, is the ego consisting of vasanas or latent tendencies. This ego or the seer or the pseudo subject rising, it expands itself as the seen, the object or the inner organs.

The 'I'-thought is the all important thought. Personality idea or concept is the root or stem of all other thoughts.  Inner latent tendencies are not the same in each person. Therefore, thoughts would arise in a person due to force of the latent tendencies or predispositions or vasanas unique to him; and this determines the difference in thoughts that arise in each individual. At this point, we need to remember that each idea or thought arises as someone's thought and is not known to exist independently. Ego alone operates as the perceiver of the existence of thoughts and their logical sequence. Ego alone exhibits thought-activity. However, it is true that we, born as human beings, inherit all the characteristics of human race, and therefore, we would naturally think as human beings and not as other species. So, this answers the first and second questions as raised above.

As for the last question as to whether it is past karma, present karma or the whole thing is just random, I wish to say that the whole thing is not just random. There is no doubt that all this is according to one's prarabdha or the past karma now fructifying. One's prarabdha manifests the inner latent tendencies as thoughts and actions in a person on the one hand, and the outer gross external world on the other. 

Dear devotees, relative world or creation is a system of forms. Therefore, the moment we identify ourselves with a form and say 'I am this physical body', we at once inadvertently identify with the whole of creation. We are one with it and not apart from it, whether we are aware or not. Self is ever free, but nature-- physical as well as mental-- is bound and are subject to rigid laws. Therefore, if we do not seek and realize the Self that we are, and instead, continue to identify with the body-mind complex, we, sure, are caught up in the Law.

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5149 on: October 28, 2017, 03:45:41 PM »
Contd from my previous post:

सदृशं चेष्टते स्वस्या: प्रकृतेर्ज्ञानवानपि |
प्रकृतिं यान्ति भूतानि निग्रह: किं करिष्यति ||

 
V.3-33, Gita

sadṛiśhaṁ cheṣhṭate svasyāḥ prakṛiter j?ānavān api
prakṛitiṁ yānti bhūtāni nigrahaḥ kiṁ kariṣhyati

Even wise people act according to their natures, for all living beings are propelled by their natural tendencies. What will one gain by repression?




Dear devotees, thus even Lord Sri Krishna has taught in the Gita that propelled by their nature people are inclined to act in accordance with their individual modes, that is, according to the latent tendencies. Lord says to Sri Arjuna, "Your own Kshatriya (warrior) nature will compel you to fight and slay your enemies in the battle field. You will be driven to do it by your own latent inclination." But, in truth, we are the ever free Atma or the Self, while the nature--both external as well as internal-- is bound by Law.  Therefore, nature should be sublimated or transcended by shifting the goal from worldly pursuits and enjoyment to Self-realization.   
  Pranam,
   Anil
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« Reply #5150 on: October 28, 2017, 04:24:19 PM »
जो  तू  चाहे  मुक्ति  को , छोड़  दे  सबकी  आस  |
मुक्त  ही  जैसा  हो  रहे , सब  कुछ  तेरे  पास  ||
Sri Kabir


If you want salvation you should shun all desires and expectations. Once you gain salvation, and remain as That, you gain everything.







Dear devotees, while I had been posting Sri Kabir's Doha today (quoted above), I remembered V.12 of Ch. 16 of the Gita:




आशापाशशतैर्बद्धा: कामक्रोधपरायणा: |
ईहन्ते कामभोगार्थमन्यायेनार्थसञ्जयान् ||

V. 12, Ch.-16, Gita

āśhā-pāśha-śhatair baddhāḥ kāma-krodha-parāyaṇāḥ
īhante kāma-bhogārtham anyāyenārtha-sanchayān

Held in bondage by hundreds of desires, and driven by lust and anger, they strive to accumulate wealth by unjust means, all for the gratification of their senses.


Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5151 on: October 28, 2017, 04:55:07 PM »
Quote:
"On waking in the morning do you inquire as to the karma of the characters in your dream. No you do not. Likewise, no need to inquire of such matters to this dream person that is now. (paraphrased)"


Dear Sri Nishta,

But there is a difference between the dream that one sees while sleeping and the waking dream. In that dream one has no idea that one is dreaming. This is why one has to satiate one's dream hunger with dream food, even when one went to sleep filling the stomach to the full. And one wakes up from the night-dream of one's own accord, without making any effort on his behalf to wake up. But one has some inkling that this waking state is a dream. And therefore, one has to make effort on his behalf, as taught by the Guru, to wake up from this waking dream. And while one is practicing Sri Bhagwan's Vichara, some intellectual knowledge and understanding are essential. Hence Sri Bhagwan has enjoined that only intellectual knowledge is not enough, but one should endeavour to push the enquiry deeper and deeper, until the Self is realized.

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil   
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« Reply #5152 on: October 28, 2017, 08:15:16 PM »
As snow in water, let me melt as love in Thee, Who art love itself, Oh Arunachala!
V.101, Sri Arunachala Aksharamanamalai

Sri Muruganar's commentary on the cited Verse:

"Through its nature as consciousness-bliss, Sivam is the very form of love. This supreme devotion (parabhakti) occurs when one dissolves and unites with Sivam as the form of that love, like a hailstorm in water. Know that this supreme devotion is in truth identical, in terms of both its nature and the experience of it, with the supreme knowledge (parajnana) in which one discerns one's own truth in the truth of the supreme Reality, subsiding into it and merging with it."   
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« Reply #5153 on: October 29, 2017, 10:02:33 AM »
Dear Sri Nishta,

If a person is aware that this is a dream person, he should wake up then and there, and realize who really he is. But despite this awareness, awakening to his real Swarupa does not happen. Why? Because the ghost called ego, which is merely an aggregate of latent tendencies, and which have arrogated the Self to itself, has not been destroyed or revealed as false for the real Self to shine forth. When a sleeping person dreams, he is not aware that this is a dream. And yet, he wakes up of his own accord. Now, in the waking state, one has inkling that this is a mere dream by hearing from the Guru or by reading scriptures or by Satsanga, yet he does not awaken to his Atma-swarupa because of the latent tendencies only. Therefore, onus lies on us to make effort as per Guru's Teaching, obtain His Grace, and realize the Self, which is the only purpose of otherwise this mundane life. And this discussion is only part of that effort, and is useful in that it keeps driving home the very truth that you have mentioned that this is a dream person after all, that this world is mithya, a mere dream. Surely such discussions, as we do in this forum, help reduce the ego at least to some extent.

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil     
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« Reply #5154 on: October 29, 2017, 10:22:05 AM »
बालस्तावत्क्रीडासक्तः
तरुणस्तावत्तरुणीसक्तः ।
वृद्धस्तावच्चिन्तासक्तः
परमे ब्रह्मणि कोऽपि न सक्तः ||
V.7, Bhaj Govindam

The childhood is lost by attachment to playfulness. Youth is lost by attachment to woman. Old age passes away by thinking over many things. But there is hardly anyone who wants to be lost in parabrahman.




का ते कान्ता कस्ते पुत्रः
संसारोऽयमतीव विचित्रः ।
कस्य त्वं कः कुत आयात-
स्तत्त्वं चिन्तय तदिह भ्रातः ||
V.8, BhaJ Govindam

Who is your wife? Who is your son? Strange is this samsara,the world. Of whom are you? From where have you come? Brother, ponder over these truths.


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« Reply #5155 on: October 29, 2017, 10:37:00 AM »
Dear devotees, what follows is an excerpt from the book 'Guru Ramana' authored by Sri S.S. Cohen


THE SCEPTIC
A very busy Polish journalist came for a few hours this afternoon, within which time he expected to be shown the Truth in the clearest possible manner.

Pole: I have read in your books that one should enquire into the nature of one's 'I' in order to know the Truth, which you call the Self. From biological science I have my own answer to the question of my own identity. What I wish to know is, who are you, you who speak of, and seem to have experienced, the Self? If another man confirms your statement, and so will a million, then there is the probability of the Self.

Sri Bhagwan: Have you no self yourself? Are you then in the region of probabilities, even with regard to your own self?

P: Yes, one cannot be sure of anything; even God cannot be proved with absolute certainty.

Sri Bhagwan: Leave God alone for the present. What of yourself?

P: I want confirmation of the Self.

Sri Bhagwan: You seek confirmation of yourself from others? How do you know that others exist?

P: By my senses.

Sri Bhagwan: 'My' implies the 'I', which owns the senses. You take your existence for granted, at the same time ask others to prove it to you. Similarly you admit the certainty of your senses, which see others, whilst denying all certainty. You see how you contradict yourself. The fact is that there are no others: there is no such a person as 'you'. Each man, although addressed as 'you', styles himself as 'I'. Even the confirmation you demand from others comes only from the 'I'. 'You' and 'they' occur only to the 'I', without which they are meaningless.

P: If you are right, what becomes of progress and science?

Sri Bhagwan. Progress and science are meant only for the perceiving mind. For whom is the progress if the mind is absent, say, in deep sleep, or in a swoon? The goal of all progress and science, you admit, is Truth, which is the Pure Intelligence, the substratum Consciousness, from which the thinking mind sprouts, and into which it is ultimately dissolved, when what you call 'Perfection', to which science aspires to lead, is attained. This is what we call realisation of the Self, that is, realisation of the source of the mind.

Source: Guru Ramana
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« Reply #5156 on: October 29, 2017, 04:54:40 PM »
Dear Anil ji,
             :) Your selection of Kabir Dohe are really very good.

Love!
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« Reply #5157 on: October 30, 2017, 09:40:44 AM »
Dear Sri Udai, I have always been very selective about the Verses and Poems that I post under this thread. I like to post only such poetry here, which some time or other has inspired me. I have grown up reading and hearing Sri Kabir's Dohe, and most of them are included in textbooks of Hindi language and literature in schools and colleges in this part of our great nation. So, most of them are still fresh in my memory.

Besides, it was through reading and hearing Sri Kabir's Dohe, even during adolescent years, that I understood that there is more to love than the carnality and mere physical attraction.
 
Now-a-days, sometimes, I read and enjoy translation of Sri Thaumanavar's, Sri Tiruvalluvar's, and Sri Tirumular's immortal compositions, and therefore, I shall certainly post some of them in this thread which touch me and strike deep chord within. 
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5158 on: October 30, 2017, 09:45:18 AM »
Akath kahani prem ki, kuch kahi na jaye
Goonge keri sarkara, baithe muskaye


अकथ कहानी प्रेम की, कुछ कही न जाए |
गूंगे केरी सरकारा, बैठे मुस्काए ||

Sri Kabir

The inexpressible joy of love
Can never be expressed in words.
Just as a mute that tastes sugar,
Can only smile to convey the joy of sweetness.




Dear devotees, God or self is the love. As knowing God or the Self is being God or Self Himself, so also knowing Love is to be the Love in which lover and the object of love merge together, and what remains is the pure Love, Great Ones speak of. If such is the State of Pure Love, who will express it to whom, and why?

Pranam,
 Anil

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« Reply #5159 on: October 30, 2017, 10:15:08 AM »
Sri Bhagwan: Have you no self yourself? Are you then in the region of probabilities, even with regard to your own self?



Dear Sri Nishta,

Yes, that's a great clue. You are but the Self, only and only the Self, and nothing whatsoever else. Yes, the Self is just yourself. Beautifully said! Thank you.

But what about the greatest clue Sri Bhagwan has given in the following holy Utterances?



Sri Bhagwan: 'My' implies the 'I', which owns the senses. You take your existence for granted, at the same time ask others to prove it to you.




'I' is Sat, or Existence or Being. Therefore, the moment one utters 'I', one takes one's existence for granted. Does he not? Well, Sri Bhagwan asks us to pay attention only to That, for That alone Is.

Pranam,
 Anil
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