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« Reply #5025 on: September 28, 2017, 05:30:31 PM »
Anilbhai/Friends,
In 'appalam Pattu' (appalam Song),Sri Bhagavan says :

Appalam Ittu paru,aththai sappittu
un asaiyai teeru

Ippuvi thannil yengi thiriyaamal(Not to hanker and wander in this world)
Sat Bodha Sukha Sat guruvanavar/
seppaadhu sonna tattuvamaagira/
Oppuyarvillaa Or mozhiyin padi........(Refrain:Appalam Ittu paru)

Try your hand fashioning  appalam-
That you may eat and  your desire fulfill.

Not to hanker and  wander in this world -
but to abide by that one word Peerless
;
The Tatva unspokenly spoken by the  Satguru
Who is  Truth Consciousness Bliss.

We discussed this in this forum in 2013:
http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7893.0

The Song that Narendra sang expresses the same theme as above:

Let us go back once more, O mind, to our own abode!
Here in this foreign land of earth
Why should we wander aimlessly in stranger's guise?


Namaskar

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« Reply #5026 on: September 28, 2017, 06:05:58 PM »
suffering is very complicated and requires much practice ... truth is simple and cannot be practiced
simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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« Reply #5027 on: September 28, 2017, 06:53:00 PM »
Beloved Abstract,

suffering is very complicated and requires much practice ... truth is simple and cannot be practiced

Truth cannot be even uttered or commented upon as even 'simple'...so Sri Bhagavan is saying 'satbodha satguru seppaadhu sonna oppuyarvillaa Or Mozhi'(The Peerless word unspokenly spoken by the satguru who is Sat chit Ananda or Truth Consciousness Bliss 'Sat Bodha Sukha').

Effort is not needed to abide as Truth but it is needed to shed the Falsehood or ignorance...Suffering is on account of ignorance and is concomitant with it and needs no separate practice.

Namaskar




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« Reply #5028 on: September 29, 2017, 08:47:14 AM »
Quote from Sri Ravi:
"Truth cannot be even uttered or commented upon as even 'simple'...so Sri Bhagavan is saying 'satbodha satguru seppaadhu sonna oppuyarvillaa Or Mozhi'(The Peerless word unspokenly spoken by the satguru who is Sat chit Ananda or Truth Consciousness Bliss 'Sat Bodha Sukha').
Effort is not needed to abide as Truth but it is needed to shed the Falsehood or ignorance...Suffering is on account of ignorance and is concomitant with it and needs no separate practice."




Dear Sri Beloved Abstract,

This is, in my view also, quite an apt and adequate response.


D: At present there is a Sino-Japanese war going on. If it is only in the imagination, can or will Sri Bhagavan imagine it not to be going on and so put an end to it?

Sri Bhagwan.: (laughing) The Bhagavan of the questioner (whom the questioner sees as an external being) is as much a thought of his as the Sin-Japanese War!



Dear Sri Beloved Abstract, do you see the problem of and difficulty with the concepts of the relative world? Truth, as It is, cannot be predicated at all. It is (The Peerless Word Unspokenly Spoken by the Satguru). That's all.

Dear friend, suffering is also the part and parcel of the story of what you call the little self. It is certainly owing to ignorance only and is concomitant with it, and no separate effort therefore is needed to tackle it, as Sri Ravi said so beautifully.  This little self is not apart from the real Self; it is only a shadow of the Self, and therefore, it cannot be destroyed by itself. Though unreal and illusory, it cannot be easily wished away as you seem to suggest. It will go away by making effort to get rid of the ignorance in the form of the ego, as taught and prescribed by the Sadguru, and come to our own Abode. And if it happens, suffering is transcended.

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil   
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« Reply #5029 on: September 29, 2017, 01:18:21 PM »
Sri Narendra (Sri Vivekananda) sang:

I salute the Eternal Teacher, who is the Embodiment of the Bliss
of Brahman,
The Essence of Knowledge and liberation, the Giver of Supreme
Joy;
Who is all-pervading, like the akasa, and is the goal of the Vedanta's
teaching;

Who is One, eternal, stainless, pure, and is the constant Witness
Of all things;
Who dwells beyond all moods, transcending the three gunas.

Sri Narendra sang again:

There is none higher than the Guru, none better than the Guru;
This is what Siva has declared.

I sing of the blessed Guru, the Supreme Brahman;
I shall worship the blessed Guru, the Supreme Brahman;
I shall meditate on the blessed Guru, the Supreme Brahman
I shall bow down to the blessed Guru, the Supreme Brahman. 

As Sri Narendra sang these Verses from the Guru Gita in his melodious voice, the minds of the devotees became steady, like a candle flame in a windless place.

Source: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna   

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« Reply #5030 on: September 29, 2017, 02:08:38 PM »
Don't roam the world disconsolate.
Heed the word, unique, unspoken
Taught by the teacher true who teaches
The truth of Being-Awareness-Bliss.


From the first stanza of the Song of Poppadum


One syllable shines forever in the Heart as Self.
Who is there anywhere who can write it down?
V. 1, Nine Stray Verses


Dear Sri Ravi,

"Not to hanker and  wander in this world -
but to abide by that one word Peerless;
The Tatva unspokenly spoken by the  Satguru
Who is  Truth Consciousness Bliss."



This is indeed a very beautiful translation of the first stanza of the Song of Poppadum. This translation, I feel, is better than what is contained in the Collected Works, as cited above, and its profundity is easily discernible. Yes, the One Syllable, that One Peerless Tattva, unspokenly spoken by the Satguru, is the Self or 'I', or the Being, beyond thought, word and expression. That is, It can be communicated in Silence of the Self alone, by the Sadguru who is Himself Being-Awareness-Bliss, for It Itself is Silence. 

Thanks very much, dear Sri Ravi.
Pranam,
  Anil
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« Reply #5031 on: September 29, 2017, 09:09:44 PM »
enjoy your stories   :)
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simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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« Reply #5032 on: September 29, 2017, 11:26:21 PM »
Thank you. I hope you are enjoying that of yours. Anil

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« Reply #5033 on: September 30, 2017, 12:09:58 PM »
By merely remembering the Sadguru,
Spontaneous knowledge will dawn in thee;
Attaining Him, all will be attained;
Salutations I offer Him.
Sri Guru Gita

Dear Devotees,

"Arunachala! Bestow upon me through your Grace the Knowledge of the Oneness of Atman and Brahman, so that my mind, which is affected by worldly impressions, may be freed from those impressions and take on the fragrance of Brahman, in which the world is not."
V. 69, Sri Arunachala Aksharamanamali 


Sri Muruganar has commented that 'fragrance of Brahman' here means 'the pure experience of Brahman', and 'Knowledge of the Oneness of Atman and Brahman' means marriage with Brahman, or merging as One, Union, that is to say, union of Atman and Brahman. The Verse implies that this union or merging of Atman and Brahman is absolutely essential for the experience of Brahman to arise, for, in the nature of their being, souls and Brahman are one and the same. So, Sri Bhagwan sings, 'Through your Grace, grant me the union with Brahman, so that I may take on the fragrance of Brahman'.

Dear devotees, Sri Muruganar says that three Verses in the beginning, middle and end of this work (Aksharamanamalai), i.e. the Invocation, this Verse (69) and the Verse 108, stand out uniquely, more so than any of the other Verses, as clues for how this great work got its name as Marriage Garland (Marital Garland of Letters). 




"Arunachala! The moment your Name 'Arunachala' came into my mind, you snared me with the rope of your Grace and drew me to You. Who could fathom the greatness of such Grace as yours?"
V. 70, Sri Arunachala Aksharamanamalai




Dear devotees, Bhagwan Sri Ramana often pointed to Sri Arunachala as His Guru whenever a devotee remarked that Sri Bhagwan had no Guru. Well, the Verse from the Guru Gita cited at the top of this post and this Verse are, in my view, same in meaning and essence. Therefore, this Verse and the Verse from Sri Guru Gita clearly delineate the great reward that is obtained by mere remembrance of the Name, Sri Arunachala or of one's Guru, for both Paramataman Sri Arunachala and the Guru are one and the same. Name opens the door to the Realization of that Peerless Tattva.

Dear devotees, Sri Bhagwan asks in the above Verse, 'Who could fathom the greatness of such Grace?'  It only means that unless and until one has the experience of being drawn and held by that Grace, the greatness of such Divine Grace cannot become evident to him clearly.

 

Note: Dear devotees, before I came to Sri Bhagwan, I had been spiritually such a novice that I didn't really understand the greatness of the Guru's Grace, and didn't know that Guru, God and the Self are one and the same, though I also recited, on certain occasions, with others: Guru is Brahma, Vishnu. Mahesha, Father, Mother, etc. Realizing Guru's Grace, beyond doubt, I went to a bookstore in Patna, and bought the booklet 'Sri Guru Gita', and I memorized some of the Verses of this great work in original Sanskrit, and I still retain them in my memory, to this date.   


Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil         
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« Reply #5034 on: September 30, 2017, 12:38:52 PM »
The crest-jewels of all scriptures,
Serve but to decorate the Guru's feet;
He is the sun with His rays of light,
He opens the lotus of Truth.


Sri Guru Gita

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« Reply #5035 on: September 30, 2017, 03:31:22 PM »
With great eagerness and wonder you fly to see one Mahatma here and another Mahatma there! If you inquire, attain and know the Maha-Atma [i.e. the Great Self] within your own heart, then every Mahatma is none other than that One [within you].
V. 121, Guru Vachaka Kovai


You yourself are a mere thought; therefore he who is considered by you to be a Mahatma (a Jnani) is nothing but one of your (the thought's) thoughts! How then can such an illusory thought be an Atma-jnani, the Supreme? Thus should you understand.
V. 2, Yar Jnani?  (Who is a Jnani?), Sri Sadhu Om

No matter how many Mahatmas you visit and no matter even if they exhibit the eightfold occult powers (ashta slddhis) know that the true Mahatma is only He who turns your attention Selfwards, advising, "Mind not these juggleries, turn within".
V. 5, Yar Jnani?  (Who is a Jnani?), Sri Sadhu Om

Let this atma (the man) who goes to the Himalaya's and the forests therein in search of Mahatmas first become a Sukhatma (a blissful one) by entering within himself enquiring 'Whence am I?'. Then all the Mahatmas who appear before him will be found to be his own Atma (Self) ! Thus said, Sri Ramana !
V. 5, Yar Jnani?  (Who is a Jnani?), Sri Sadhu Om




Dear devotees, Sri Sadhu Om sings in another song that on enquiry, it will be found that Jnana itself is the Jnani. Therefore, he exhorts that by means of proper enquiry, the mind which tries to know 'This one or that one is a Jnani' should first be destroyed. It is therefore proper to know through Silence (Summa Iru) that the Jnana (the Consciousness) which never rises as 'I am this or that' Itself is the Jnani ! Therefore, Consciousness Itself is the Jnani alone!!!

Pranam,
  Anil
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« Reply #5036 on: September 30, 2017, 04:08:58 PM »
Dear devotees, Sri Bhagwan Himself enjoined that the Bhagwan of the questioner, whom he sees as the body externally, was as much a thought of his (of the questioner) as the Sino-Japanese war!  He therefore is the Truth-Consciousness. It therefore follows that Being-Consciousness Itself is both Jnana as well as the Jnani. It follows as well that the Self alone knows the Self, for It alone IS.  Anil
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« Reply #5037 on: October 01, 2017, 11:17:16 AM »
Sri Trailokya sang:
 
O Mother, I hide myself in Thy loving bosom;
I gaze at Thy face and cry out, "Mother! Mother!"
I sink in the sea of Bliss and am lost to sense
In yoga-sleep, I gaze with unwinking eyes
Upon Thy face, powerless to turn away.
O Mother, I am terrified by this world;
My spirits trembles and cries out in fear.
Keep me sweet Mother, in Thy loving bosom;
Cover me with the spreading skirt of Thy love.

The Master shed tears of love and cried out, "Ah me! Ah me!"
Source: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna




Sri Bhagwan implores Sri Arunachala thus, "Tear of these robes, expose me naked, then robe me with Thy love, Oh, Arunachala!"




Dear devotees, robe means garb of ignorance. When one is stripped of the garb of ignorance completely, the Self is revealed.  So, Sri Bhagwan implores Sri Arunachala to disrobe naked and then cover with the robe of love which is same as garment of Grace whose form is clear Awareness.

Dear devotees, I am also terrified of and disillusioned with the world. Hence I keep on praying to the Mother in form of my Guru to disrobe me of the ignorance and robe with the garment of His Grace. And I feel that taking up Vichara spontaneously is only the grant of the Guru's Grace, which is same as the spreading skirt of His love. 
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5038 on: October 01, 2017, 11:57:58 AM »
Dear devotees, if one has taken up Sri Bhagwan's Vichara in good faith but feels that he has not made any palpable progress, should read  following excerpt carefully, which has been extracted from Sri Sadhu Om's writing. Sri Om's writing has helped me immensely and I am sure that it will stand them in good stead as well:

Sri Sadhu Om:
As one's desirelessness and longing to know Self thus increase by prayer to the Guru, by study (sravana) of and reflection (manana) upon His teachings, and by practice (nididhyasana) of Self-attention, one's ability to turn one's attention towards the first person will also increase, until one will be able to turn it 90, 120 or even 150 degrees at each fresh attempt. When one's ability to turn one's attention Selfwards thus increases, one will be able to experience a tenuous current of Self-awareness even while engaged in activity; that is, one will be able to experience an awareness of one's being which will not be disturbed by whatever one's mind, speech or body may be doing, in other words, one will be able to remember the feeling 'I am' which always underlies all one's activities. However, this tenuous current of Self-awareness should not be taken to be the state of unceasing Self-attention, because one will experience it only when one feels inclined to do so.

How then can one experience the state of unceasing Self-attention, the state of unswerving Self-abidance? The Guru's Grace will more and more help those aspirants who thus repeatedly practise Self-attention with great love (bhaktl) to know Self. When a glowing fire and a blowing wind join together, they play wonders. Likewise, when the glowing fire of love for Self-knowledge and the blowing wind of the Guru's Grace join together, a great wonder takes place. During one of his fresh attempts, the aspirant will be able to turn his attention a complete 180 degrees towards Self (that is, he will be able to achieve a perfect clarity of Self-awareness, completely uncontaminated by even the least awareness of any second or third person), whereupon he will feel a great change taking place spontaneously and without his effort. His power of attention, which he had previously tried so many times to turn towards Self and which had always slipped back towards second and third persons, will now be caught under the grip of a powerful clutch which will not allow it to turn again towards any second or third person. This clutch is the clutch of Grace. Though Grace has always been helping and guiding one, it is only when one is thus caught by its clutch that one becomes totally a prey to it. If one once turns one's attention a full 180 degrees towards Self, one is sure to be caught by this clutch of Grace, which will then take one as its own and will forever protect one from again turning towards second and third person objects. This state in which the mind is thus caught by the clutch of Grace and is thereby drowned forever in its source, is known as the experience of true knowledge (jnananubhutl), Self-realization (atmasakshatkaram), liberation (moksha) and so on. This alone can be called the state of unceasing Self-attention.


Pranam,
  Anil
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« Reply #5039 on: October 01, 2017, 03:24:18 PM »
D: In my present state, is there sufficient faith, humility and surrender in me? If not, how to make them perfect?
 
Sri Bhagwan: You are perfect, so abandon the idea of imperfection and need for development. Ego is not a real thing. It is the mind which makes the effort and the mind is not real. Just as it is not necessary to kill the rope which one imagines to be a snake, so also, there is no need to destroy the mind. Knowing the form of the mind makes the mind disappear.



Dear Devotees,

On account of forgetfulness of the Self, we have messed up our Pure Being and Its wondrous Power (Pure Mind or Sudha Mind) with the imagined little self called ego  and its myriad imagined bundle of thoughts we call our minds respectively, with the concomitant thinking of inadequacy and imperfection as  consequences. The rope which one imagines to be a snake is not supposed to be killed, only a little investigation reveals it to be a rope. Does it not? So also, knowing the real Self makes the ego disappear, and knowing the true form of the mind makes the lower or the impure mind disappear and reveals It to be Consciousness with the experience of pure mental state of 'I Am That I Am'. Remember, the Pure Mind or Manoakasa is Consciousness of the form 'I Am That I Am', which is verily Absolute Consciousness. Therefore, what remains, on the culmination of the Enquiry, is Brahman and Its Sakti which are One and the same.   


Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil         
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