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« Reply #180 on: December 01, 2010, 01:35:19 PM »
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Where is the need for self-enquiry when you are already Brahman ?

If you're really convinced that you're Brahman, there's no need for anything.
Self-enqiry is a way to be convinced in it.

Irrespective of whether you are convinced and know it or not of being Brahman, you are indeed Brahman.

Who knows this? If that one really knows oneself as Brahman, does he have any questions? If one has doubts, questions arise about whatever.
Until ice is broken one does not know this ice exists.

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In view of this fact, you can do any thing including murder & rape or you need not do any thing including your social duties to family or personal duty of attending call of nature.

Why should I (you) bother about illusory future events? Who bother? Illusary "I" which was accepted as real in early chailhood. What was this "I" 100 eyars ago? Things happen as predestined whether this "I" like it or not; anyway and I am not the doer.

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« Reply #181 on: December 01, 2010, 01:37:47 PM »
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« Reply #182 on: December 01, 2010, 02:25:04 PM »



Dear Vladimir,

Yes.  Once you give up the doership and enjoyership [Kartrutvam
and Bhoghatatvam], which are both the products of "I', then you
can do anything in this world.  Giving up this false 'I' is the most
difficult job.  If this ego is vanquished, then the fort is on our hands
says Bhagavan Ramana.

Someone asked Bhagavan Ramana:  I am so lustful with my neighbour's wife, can I have union with her?   Bhagavan Ramana
gave him several answers that spoke about the purity of mind
etc., but the visitor did not accept it.  Finally He said:  You can
definitely have union with your neighbour's wife, provided you
do that act without doership and enjoyership.  This is the crux
of the whole issue.


   
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« Reply #183 on: December 01, 2010, 02:47:12 PM »
  Dear Sri Subramanian Sir, thank you so much for providing important information about the Saint Thayumanjvar and His Guru.  Dear sir,  Sri Bhagwan has also said that only a Brahmjnani can be a true devotee. Initially I could not understand this statement. We all know that He shed tears and sobbed uncontrollably whenever He narrated a tale of great devotion. But He Himself has revealed that a Brahmjnani is God or Ishawara Himself. Therefore, puestion arises as to He being Himself God or Pure Consciousness,to whom this devotion ? But then I gradually understood that as His all actions are perfect, performed with pure mind, be it vegetable cutting, book binding or proof checking, likewise His devotion is absolute. Or, He is pure "I am" in devotion as His inaction in actions, devotion and actions appearing only to the onlookers. Regards, anil     

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« Reply #184 on: December 01, 2010, 03:03:19 PM »



Dear Anil,

All His actions during His 54 years of life in Tiruvannamalai, whether
be it vegetable cutting or cooking or making some herbal medicines,
or making a nice stick for the cowherd, or his love for animals including dogs, cow Lakshmi, or deer or even a pantheor or peacocks
are only to show to the devotees that Atma Jnanam and love for
fellow beings go together.  His life itself was a teaching for us.
His life and teachings cannot be separated.



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« Reply #185 on: December 01, 2010, 03:09:56 PM »
  Dear Sri Subramanian Sir, "The eye surgeon removes the cataract. He is the Guru and His process of surgery is the Self enpuiry." And also " doership and the enjoyership are the crux of the matter." Very,very well said, sir. Thank you so much. Regards, Anil

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« Reply #186 on: December 01, 2010, 03:20:16 PM »
  Dear sir, ji, yes, I understand that Atmjnanam and love for fellow beings go together. Thank you.Regards, Anil

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« Reply #187 on: December 01, 2010, 03:45:26 PM »



Dear Anil,

Once one devotee Vasudeva Sastri went to the nearby tank for
bathing.  There a tiger was there.  Sastri came running back and
sat near Bhagavan Ramana with trembling limbs and fear in his
eyes.  Bhagavan Ramana asked:  Vasudeva, what, what?  Sastri
told Him that he met a tiger near the tank.  Bhagavan Ramana smiled and said:  O, a tiger, see, this is [the Hill] is their residence.  We are the intruders.  Even them, it would do no harm, if you do not show anger.  Come, let us go and see.  Both went
and saw the tiger.  Bhagavan asked the tiger:  "Ennada [what man!]? He is afraid of you." Looking at Bhagavan, the tiger roared once and simply went into the forests.  Bhagavan said:  See, he has come to drink water.  In this sweltering summer, where can he go for drinking water?  His work is over and he has gone.  You now go and bathe peacefully.  Vasudeva Sastri could not believe   

Enbolum dheenari inbuRa kaathu nee ennaLum vazhntharuL
Arunachala!  [Sri Arunachala Akshara Mana Maalai -  Verse 105

May You live for ever, as the loving saviour of poor and helpless
people, O Arunachala!



Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #188 on: December 01, 2010, 04:05:01 PM »
  Dear sir, ji, yes, I understand that Atmjnanam and  love for fellow beings go together. Thank you.Regards, Anil

I disagree. Nisargadatta used to seethe with hatred at those whom he did not like. He kicked out many a person from his first floor room where he taught those who assembled.
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« Reply #189 on: December 01, 2010, 04:13:45 PM »

 Things happen as predestined whether this "I" like it or not; anyway and I am not the doer.


Religiously indoctrinated mind is obsessed with the concept of pre-destiny. This is a concept which is in the regime of Non-Brahman.
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« Reply #190 on: December 01, 2010, 04:20:36 PM »
How can the cataract be removed unless you go to an eye surgeon.
Because of cataract [mind, which includes desire, anger, greed, hate
all these do murders, rape etc.,.].  The eye surgeon will remove
your cataract.  He is the Guru and his process of surgery is the
self inquiry or self surrender. 

Cataract and mind have been imagined. So no need for guru-surgeon.
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« Reply #191 on: December 01, 2010, 04:29:05 PM »

A clean eye is the Wisdom insight which shall not go anywhere near murders, rapes and other evil deeds.


An unenlightened man created concepts of murder, rape, evil, thoughts, words, deeds et cetera. In reality, they are not there at all. ONLY BRAHMAN IS THERE.
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« Reply #192 on: December 01, 2010, 04:35:03 PM »


Dear soham3,

Because you imagine 'mind' [which is not there at all, as Bhagavan
Ramana says], like you get into all sorts of thoughts, all sorts
of actions, some of them good and some of them are diabolic.
If you conquer the mind i.e thoughts, i.e ego, then there is no
desired actions [doership] and it will ultimately end in nishkamya
karamam [actions without desiring fruits] and finally to nishkarma
[non action.].  This is the bliss.

Bhagavan Ramana says in Sri Arunachala Akshara Mana Maalai,
Verse 37:

If I slumber in  quiet repose enjoying the Bliss of Being, what other moksha [liberation] is there, tell me, O Arunachala!

This slumber is not our deep sleep, where there is only suspended mind, which waits to jump out, as you wake up.  It is the slumber in bliss.  Ati-sushupti in Sanskrit.



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« Reply #193 on: December 01, 2010, 04:39:24 PM »



Dear soham3,

What is good and what is evil?  Good is that which does not harm
fellow beings.  Bad is that which harms fellow beings.  Even when
government and police are trying to establish this in our worldly lives, why not a Jnani consider this as important for atma jnana.  After all, as Plato said that a brahma Jnani should be the King of a country to establish this and not any one else.   



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« Reply #194 on: December 01, 2010, 05:36:53 PM »

 Things happen as predestined whether this "I" like it or not; anyway and I am not the doer.


Religiously indoctrinated mind is obsessed with the concept of pre-destiny. This is a concept which is in the regime of Non-Brahman.

Please, tell me any concept which is in Brahman regime. Of course, if we talk about any functioning of the manifested world we step into the field of duality.