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« Reply #885 on: May 20, 2011, 07:51:34 PM »
Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

Sri Wolters Keers came to Him, received only His Gaze, and became Self-realised. Sri Mastan Swami remained transfixed for full six hours! Only ripe souls are heirs to such a great divine fortune. This is what is commonly known as 'Shaktipata'. Is it not sir ? Thank you.

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« Reply #886 on: May 21, 2011, 09:48:04 AM »


Dear Anil,

Saktinipata is the descent of power when a person becomes free
from three impurities [mala paripakam], the divine power touches
that person, deivanugraha sparsam.  This is Sakti Nipatam



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« Reply #887 on: May 21, 2011, 10:48:18 AM »
Just as subtle electricity etc.  traverses  on the gross wires, likewise the effulgence of consciousness traverses through the nerve-channel in the body.
                                                                                         V. 6, Ch. 9, Sri Ramana Gita

The Consciousness is in a separate Nadi. They call it the Sushumna. Some say it is the supreme Atmanadi, others call it the Amritanadi.
                                                                                         V. 10, Ch. 9, Sri Ramana Gita

“ ABONDONING THE COCEIT ABOUT THE BODY AND THE NOTION OF THE BODY AS THE SELF, IF A PERSON OF WELL-DEVELOPED INTELLECT ENQUIRES, ONE-POINTEDLY, THE CHURNING OF THE NADIS WILL TAKE PLACE.
                                                                                          V. 12, Ch. 9, Sri Ramana Gita

Thus by churning of the Nadis, the Self gets separated. It resorts to the one Amrita Nadi and shines forth.
                                                                                           V. 13, Ch. 9, Sri Ramana Gita

Dear Devotees,

There are a number of nerve-channels which transmit forces that manage and facilitate respective functions and operations in the body. But Sri Bhagwan says that Consciousness is placed in a  separate and distinct nerve-channel called Sushumna. The same all-important Sushumna is known as Atmanadi and Amritanadi. Of all the Nadis, only Sushumna carries the flow of consciousness, emerging in Sahasrara and from there it flows to the experiences of the body and the world. Other Nadis are channels of forces for numerous operations and functions in the body.

Dear devotees, we must understand that when we move away from our Swarupa, the Self, light of the consciousness is captured by the body. For, the Nadis other than Sushumna, carry the forces which bind the Body and the Self in a knot called ‘hriday-jada granthi’.

Therefore, Sri Bhagwan says that if enquiry about our true form or Swarupa is taken up with one-pointed concentration, churning of nerve-channels will take place. What is churning of nerve-channels ? By churning of nerve-channels, the knot that binds the Self with the body is weakened and is finally broken irrevocably. Then, the effulgence of Consciousness begins to shine only in the Atma Nadi, or Amrita Nadi or the Sushumna.

Therefore, in my view, it  is of paramount importance to understand that once the ENQUIRY INTO THE TRUE FORM OF THE SELF OR SWARUPA IS UNDERTAKEN, CHURNING OF THE NADIS TAKE PLACE. BY CHURNING SELF IS SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER NADIS AND BEGINS TO SHINE ONLY IN THE SUPREME  ATMA NADI. Self is said to be deeply entrenched in the Heart. And there is a scriptural saying that one should boldly draw out the Self from the body like one draws fibre from the grass. Therefore, Enquiry leads to churning of the Nadis and churning to the Realisation of the Swarupa Itself.

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   Anil             
                                         

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« Reply #888 on: May 21, 2011, 04:28:22 PM »
Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

Ji. Yes.  Thank you so much sir. Saktipata is the ‘Descent  of the Divine Power’. Divine Power is said to descend (Saktipata) when one has achieved   ‘Karmasamya’ i.e.  when merit and demerit are equal and the one  who is free from the three impurities (Malaparipaka).

When a devotee is a pakva or ripe for receiving the Teaching of the Guru and his mind is about to sink into the Heart, Sri Bhagwan says the instruction imparted to such a devotee works in a flash and he realises the Self at once. Sri Bhagwan has said that Saktipata introverts the mind as well as confers the true and the right experience.

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« Reply #889 on: May 21, 2011, 05:49:39 PM »


Dear Anil,

Yes. Sakti nipada was given to Sri Bhagavan in Madurai by goddess Meenkashi. The divine power that descended on Him did wonders
in due course of time. The goddess made Him to achieve self realization from 'death experience' in just 20 minutes and also directed Him to Tiruvannamalai.



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« Reply #890 on: May 22, 2011, 11:09:06 AM »
Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

Ji. Yes. Thank you so much, sir. Sri Ram Krishna used to say that when the Mother Goddess showers Grace on a devotee, he is free at that very moment at that very place. The Guru is Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesha as well as the Father and the Mother. ALL IS THE GURU ONLY. THERE IS NOTHING OTHER THAN THE GURU. And the Guru has said that the Guru’s Grace is unthinkable.

Dear sir, having said as the above, I wish to say only this that I am cent per-cent certain that , Guru’s Grace being unthinkable, Saktipata may occur even when one has not quite achieved ‘karmasamya’(when actions are such that merits and demerits are equal) and ‘malaparipaka’( When one is free from the three impurities). I would like to see your comment on the above statement. Thank you , sir.

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« Reply #891 on: May 22, 2011, 11:11:20 AM »
What is action, or devotion, or union, or knowledge ? It is to enquire, ‘Whose is this action, or indifference, or separateness, or ignorance ?’ Inquiring thus, the ego vanishes. To abide as the Self, wherein these eight have never been, this is True Existence.
                                                                                                Verse—14, Reality in Forty Verses: Supplement

Except by the path of enquiring into the mysterious clue [ the ego, aham-vritti, the I-thought ], irrespective of how much effort one makes following all other paths such as karma { bhakti, yoga and jnana], such effort cannot enable one to attain and enjoy the Self, the treasure shining in the Heart.
                                                                                                    Verse—885, GVK

Dear Devotees,


Sri Sadhu Om comments that through the above two Verses Sri Bahgwan clearly and emphatically gives His verdict that however much one strives on whatever other paths such as karma , yoga, bhakti, or jnana, until one enquires ‘Who am I ?’ This “I” is Very mysterious indeed. Therefore, the Great Poet sings, “ To enquire and know oneself properly, nothing except the consciousness ‘I am’ is necessary”. Dear devotees, the sense of this mysterious ‘I’ is the Master’s scent, an infallible clue to return to our Source which is nothing but  our own Swarupa, like the dog which invariably reaches the Master tracing the very Master’s scent. ( Discussion on Enquiry to continue in the next post )

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« Reply #892 on: May 22, 2011, 11:20:24 AM »
 After 'Dear Devotees' it should be read, " Sri Sadhu om comments that through the above two Verse, Sri Bhagwan clearly and emphatically gives His Verdict that however much one strives on whatever other paths such as karma, yoga, bhakti, or jnana, until one enquires 'Who am I ?', one cannot realise his Swarupa. " Thank you. Anil   

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« Reply #893 on: May 22, 2011, 11:51:40 AM »


Dear Anil,

Guru Ramana's Grace is always there. Only thing is that we should take one step towards Him. Then He will take ten steps towards us
to shower His grace. His path of self enquiry or self surrender should be followed.



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« Reply #894 on: May 22, 2011, 04:21:06 PM »
Dear sir,

Bhagavan's grace is ever flowing. There are many devotees in the path of self inquiry seriously still there are no result. Why? where people are got stuck?



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« Reply #895 on: May 22, 2011, 05:53:08 PM »


Dear ramanaduli,

Yours is not a new doubt. Even Devaraja Mudaliar asked about  the
same when Sri Bhagavan was in body. Sri Bhagavan replied; There
are two main reasons. One is lack of adequate effort. So you should
put in more efforts.  Second is not to give room for doubts. Find out who is the doubter. Enquire him. Total faith is essential. Reinforce
your faith and efforts towards surrender or enquiry. One is bound
to succeed.



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« Reply #896 on: May 23, 2011, 09:00:50 AM »
Dear Sri ramanaduli,

Yes. As Sri Subramanian Sir said, without giving any room for doubt, practice with perseverance  is of paramount importance and is sine-qua-non. As for the Grace, Grace is always there. Guru is the Self and the Self is Grace. As the Self is within, it prompts from within to seek It. Sri Bhagwan says that Grace is not exterior. Even desire for Grace is due to Presence of Grace within us. We will do rather well for ourselves if we remove this doubt once and for all.

As for the progress in Self-enquiry, what progress do we expect ? Sri Bhagwan says that one is always realised. He is ever the Self only. Thoughts are obstacles to understanding that the Self is ever realised. Therefore, the degree of the absence of thoughts is the measure of our progress towards Self-realisation. However, Sri Bhagwan has said that Self-realisation Itself does not admit of progress. Realisation is ever the same.

Progress in the sadhana of the Atma-Vichara is not easily perceptible to the devotee. It simply cannot be gauged. Why ? Because the Goal is not some far-away destination  but US, Here and Now.

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« Reply #897 on: May 23, 2011, 09:02:40 AM »
Absorption in the Heart of being
Whence we sprang,
Is the path of action, of devotion,
Of union and of knowledge.
                                                  Verse—10, Upadesa Saram

Dear Devotees,

Sri Bhgwan often said that ‘going back the way one came’ is the Self-enquiry. Implication of this statement of Sri Bhagwan is this that the ego-mind must return to the source through the route it rose from that source in the first place. Here, in the cited Verse from of the Upadesa Saram, Sri Bhagwan says the same thing that absorption back in the Heart of being from where we sprang is the path of action, of devotion, of union, as well as of knowledge.  We are the Self, Being-existence Itself, the Source of everything that are. Every day, we rise from the Self; we subside in the Self. Every day, we spring from the Self, every day we spring back into the Heart of the being. 

Therefore dear devotees, instead of thus wasting ourselves as daily rising and falling as the scheming, lamenting, and thinking ‘I’, Sri Bhagwan says that we should go back, or spring back, via the route we rose through, into the Heart of Being ‘I’. This is the Self-enquiry.

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« Reply #898 on: May 23, 2011, 07:02:20 PM »


Dear Anil,

Once a sadhak came from North India, under the recommendations of a jnani to go Sri Bhagavan to understand the vichara marga and
attain self realization.  When the sadhak came and asked Sri
Bhagavan: What is the way for self realization?, Sri Bhagavan said:
"You go in the way in which you have come."  The sadhak was confused, whether he should go back to North India.  He went to the Hills and meditated and he was feeling sad that Sri Bhagavan did not show the teachings for him.  Some one, I think, Viswantha Swami came to him and explained to him what Sri Bhagavan had meant.  He became happy and stayed in the Asaramam for several
months and had tremendous improvement in self inquiry.



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« Reply #899 on: May 24, 2011, 06:41:18 AM »
Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

The North Indian devotee is reported to have quoted Sri Kant and other empiricist western philosophers and asked from Sri Bhagwan for direction. He was perhaps confused. Which way to go ? Sri Bhagwan often  responded according to the predisposition of the devotees who came to Him. In this case, the devotee has perhaps moved away far to dialectics, ontology and dry meta-physics. Therefore, Sri Bhagwan tersely and cryptically taught him to go the way he came. This famous statement of Sri Bhagwan is the terse and cryptic representation of Sri Bhagwan’s Teaching. If we are to gain the Beatitude of the Swarupa, we must sink back into the Source from where we came via the route we rose through and swerved to body, name and form, and the world. From the LIFE ITSELF to a soiled life of borrowed mental consciousness.

Yet, having said as the above, the North Indian devotee perhaps deserved this reply otherwise the Guru would never have uttered It in the first place.

Thank you so much sir.
 
Regards,
  Anil