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« Reply #645 on: March 05, 2011, 08:48:20 AM »
Sri Patanjali’s First Sutra :

Yogas chitta vritti nirodhah
Yoga is to check the mind from changing.

The effort made to still the mind is Yoga. Cessation of the mental activities is the common aim of all paths and margas and, therefore, is applicable to all systems of Yoga.

On the Path of Jnana mind itself is examined and when the mind is examined, Sri Bhagwan says that its activities cease automatically. Meditation is concentrating upon one thought to the exclusion of all other thoughts. Concentration on a single thought make all other thoughts disappear and finally that thought also disappears. Cessation of mental activities may be achieved by Pranayama also. But Sri Bhagwan’s method is searching for the source of the mind. Sri Bhagwan says that when the source of the mind is reached by the enquiry, the ego-mind is merged there bringing about cessation of all mental activities. The purpose of all methods is the same- cessation of the mental activities. Only methods differ.

While controlling thoughts, one point should always be remembered. Sri Bhagwan says that it is necessary to remain aware while controlling the thoughts. Else sleep would be induced. By Pranayama mind is steadied by suppressing the thoughts. Sri Bhagwan used to narrate a story of a yogi on the bank of a river who fell prey to ‘manolaya’ for a very long period of time. Sri Bhagwan says that the awareness is the chief factor is indicated by the fact of Sri Patanjali emphasizing pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, and Samadhi even after cessation of the mental activities is achieved by Pranyama. This is because awareness is the chief factor. Otherwise, Sri Bhagwan says that such states can be easily imitated by taking drugs etc. These artificially induce states do not lead to liberation because they lack the All-Important Awareness.

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« Reply #646 on: March 05, 2011, 08:51:30 AM »
 The second line in my post, re. no 674 should be read , " Where is the Kailash ? "

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« Reply #647 on: March 05, 2011, 09:15:02 AM »
 Self is One and alone. What is duality then ? It must be non-Self. Duality is the characteristics of the ego. If thoughts are arising duality is still present. Sri Bhagwan says ; know it to be ego and seek its Source; go to their Source, where thoughts do not arise.

Sri Bhagwan says that Self-Realization itself does not admit of progress. It is ever the same. The Self remains only in Realization. But there are certainly stages in progress from the stand-point of the seeker. Sri Bhagwan says that 'the degree of the absence of thoughts is the measure of our progress towards Self-Realization'. So, thoughts are obstacles. And Sri Bhagwan says that 'progress is measured by the degree of removal of the obstacles to understanding that the Self is always realized'.

Well, in my view, this is a very important Statement. REMOVAL OF THE OBSTACLES TO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SELF IS ALWAYS REALIZED IS THE MEASURE OF OUR PROGRESS TOWARDS SELF-REALIZATION.

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« Reply #648 on: March 05, 2011, 04:34:01 PM »


Dear Anil,

Yes.  Yogam [here means Jnanam ], is really chitta vritti nirodham,
controlling the mind from having thoughts.  The Silence that ensues
give along with Vichara gives realization.

Sri Bhagavan once humorously said:

You are all telling that you are not able to control thoughts.  I am
telling that no thought is coming to me!

One can imagine in what great epitome of advaita, He was!

Silence is true silence, not merely not speaking nor acting but being without any single thought. People observe mouna vratam, not speaking for a day or so, but their minds will be chewing a million thoughts.



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« Reply #649 on: March 06, 2011, 09:39:39 AM »
“ The unique letter exists as that which bestows the excellence of immaculate true jnana and as the source of all the (other) letters that are in use. It shines forever in the heart as the self-luminous Self. Who indeed can write it down ? ” 
                                               V. 1172, GVK, Edited by Sri D. Godman

 
Sri Bhagwan explains the nature of that one letter thus, “ The one letter ( Ekam Aksharam ), which is imperishable (aksharam) is that which always shines of its own accord (or as Self) in the Heart ! Who is able to write it ? ”

So, Sri Bhagwan means by the word ‘aksharam’ both letter as well as that which is imperishable. Therefore, That which is imperishable is one letter.

One Letter ( Ekam Aksharam) is the mother of all letters. Swarupam is the Ekam Aksharam.

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« Reply #650 on: March 06, 2011, 09:42:23 AM »
Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

Ji, yes, Sri Bhagwan’s Silence was eloquent.

“If one enquires, ‘What is that excellent language that possesses in abundance both truth and clarity, which is the source of all languages, and which possesses divine nature ? [the answer is] ‘That unique language is mauna, which was taught by Dakshinamurty, who is jnana-swarupa.”
                                                                  V. 1173, GVK, Edited by Sri D. Godman

Just below this Verse is quoted a Statement of Sri Bhagwan in reply to a question regarding Mouna which has been taken from Maharshi’s Gospel as following :

Devotee : What is Mouna ?

Sri Bhagwan : That which transcends speech and thought is mauna; it is meditation without mental activity. Subjugation of the mind is meditation: deep meditation is eternal speech. Silence is ever-speaking; it is perennial flow of ‘language’. It is interrupted by speaking; for words obstruct this mute ‘language’. Lectures may entertain individuals for hours without improving them. Silence, on the other hand, is permanent and benefits the whole of humanity. By Silence. Eloquence is meant. Oral lectures are not so eloquent as silence. Silence is unceasing eloquence. It is the best language.

“There is a state when words cease and silence prevails” 

Nature of Brahman is infinite Silence. Swarupa is ‘Anant Mouna ( Infinite Silence ).

                                                                               ( To continue in the next posts)

Thank you so much sir.

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« Reply #651 on: March 06, 2011, 10:35:00 AM »



Dear Anil,

But His Silence conferred bliss and removed the doubts of the devotees.  Sri Bhagavan used to say:  Silence is uninterrupted speech.
Yes. His Silence was the speech of the immortal gods.



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« Reply #652 on: March 06, 2011, 03:43:11 PM »
Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

“ His Silence was the speech of the immortal gods.” Thank you so much sir.

Dear sir, you have mentioned in your post that His Silence conferred bliss and removed the doubts of the devotee. But I am cent percent certain, beyond doubt whatever, that His Silence is still conferring bliss and clearing the doubts of the devotee.

Sri Bhagwan says that by Silence, eloquence is meant. Oral lectures are not as eloquent as Silence. Silence is the unceasing, perennial eloquence.

To drive home this eloquence of Silence, Sri Bhagwan often narrated the story of Sita who was asked who her husband was among the rishis present there  (Sri Rama was Himself present in the guise of a rishi) in the forest by the wives of the rishis. She denied each one as every rishi was pointd to Her by turn. But She simply hung down Her head when Sri Rama was pointed out. Her Silence was eloquent. Her Silence conveyed more than what Her speech would have been able to. Similarly, Sri Bhagwan says that Vedas are eloquent in ‘neti’-‘neti’ and then remain silent.

“ Mouna vyakhya praktita tatvam ”. Truth expounded by Silence. Sri Bhagwan says in Talk-68 that Silence is so potent that it is said to be exposition. ( To continue)

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« Reply #653 on: March 07, 2011, 08:28:55 AM »
Vidyaranya says that twelve years’ forced mouna brings about abolute mouna. Sri Bhagwan says that such forced mouna makes one only unable to speak. It is more like a mute animal than otherwise. That is not mouna. Mouna as a disciplinary measure is meant for limiting the mental activity due to speech. However, if the mind is subdued by Vichara, disciplinary mouna is unnecessary. Mouna is then natural.

Silence that Sri Bhagwan speaks of is the perennial and never-ending speech. Vocal speech obstructs the other speech. Unlike the mute mouna of the animals brought about by the forced mouna, Silence of Brahman is eloquent and is said to be exposition.

“ For vocal speech, organs of speech are necessary and they precede speech. But the other speech lies even beyond thought. It is in short transcendental speech or unspoken words, para vak.”
                                                                                     Talk-68

Sri Bhagwan : Silence is of four kinds: silence of speech, silence of the eye, silence of the ear, and silence of the mind. Only the last is pure silence and is the most important. The commentary of silence is the best commentary as illustrated in Lord Dakshinamurty. Only silence is the eternal speech, the one word, the heart-to-heart talk. Silence is like the even flow of electric current. Speech is like obstructing the current for lightening and other purposes.
                                                   GVK, P-500, edited by Sri D. Godman

Only Silence is the eternal speech and is the mother of the vocal speech. All words emanates from the ‘Infinite Silence’ only. One experiences this Silence when the ego-mind is destroyed by enquiry or by any other methods.

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« Reply #654 on: March 07, 2011, 08:30:09 AM »
If the Guru is silent the seeker’s mind gets purified by itself.
                                                                Sri Bhagwan

Sri Bhagwan says in Talk-445 that Mouna is the highest form of Upadesa and IT SIGNIFIES ‘SILENCE AS MASTER, DISCIPLE AND PRACTISER.

Vocal speech obstructs the other speech of Silence. This means that when the Guru is silent, the seeker is in the most intimate contact with Him. Otherwise, how the doubts of the four sages would have been cleared ?

Sri Bhagwan has said ( Talk-518 ) that Silence is the highest form of initiation. All other dikshas ( Initiation ), e.g., sparsa, chakshus etc. are derived from Mouna. They are therefore secondary. Mouna is the primary form of the initiation.


Therefore, the Mouna is the primary form of initiation which includes all other forms.

Why Mouna (Silence) is the primary form of initiation ? Sri Bhagwan explains in Talk-519 as following :

There must be subject-object relationship established in the other forms of initiations or dikshas. First the subject must rise followed by the object. Unless these two are there how is the one to look at the other or touch him ?

The above is, in my view, one of the greatest revelation ever with regard to initiation. When the Guru is Silent, when there is no rise of the subject ( the Guru) and the object (the seeker), Grace of the Self is in operation. Hence Silence is the highest form of initiation. Sri Bhagwan says that Mouna Diksha ( Innitiation in Silence ) s the most perfect form of initiation. It comprises looking, touching and teaching. It will purify individual in every way and establish him in the Reality.   

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« Reply #655 on: March 07, 2011, 10:07:08 AM »
Yes, that Silence is beyond talking and non-talking. For talking and non-talking belong to mental realm. Mind rises from the Silence of the Self. Therefore, Infinite Silence of the Self is the basis of all mental activities.

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« Reply #656 on: March 07, 2011, 01:35:34 PM »



Dear Anil,

Sri  Bhagavan used to remain silent and would have a vacant look.
Suddenly, He would turn and gaze at someone intently.  That silence
and gaze will remove all the doubts of the seeker who was gazed.

Mrs. Noye used to weep whenever Sri Bhagavan gazed at her like
that.  Weeping is a process of burning down the mind and thoughts.

Several other devotees have also said that gaze in silence, would
make them feel that they have no bodies and they were all only
the Self.



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« Reply #657 on: March 07, 2011, 02:54:09 PM »
Suddenly, He would turn and gaze at someone intently.  That silence
and gaze will remove all the doubts of the seeker who was gazed.


Several other devotees have also said that gaze in silence, would
make them feel that they have no bodies and they were all only
the Self.


Sri Bhagwan says in Talk-445 that Mouna is the highest form of Upadesa and IT SIGNIFIES ‘SILENCE AS MASTER, DISCIPLE AND PRACTISER.


Vocal speech obstructs the other speech of Silence. This means that when the Guru is silent, the seeker is in the most intimate contact with Him. Otherwise, how the doubts of the four sages would have been cleared ?


There must be subject-object relationship established in the other forms of initiations or dikshas. First the subject must rise followed by the object. Unless these two are there how is the one to look at the other or touch him ?

Dear Sri Subramanian Sir,

Thank you so much for a very nice post, sir.
Guru's Silence signifies Silence as Master and disciple.That means that the disciple is in most intimate contact with Him without Guru-disciple relationship or without the subject-object relationship established between them. Obviously, this relationship is very potent and the doubts of the seekers are cleared. So, that gaze in Silence would make them feel that they have no bodies and they were all only the Self.

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« Reply #658 on: March 08, 2011, 07:57:39 AM »
The abundant greatness of Brahman is that it cannot be made to shine by all the utterances, expositions and lectures. Because that Brahman shines forth through the rare and precious silence of the Guru, that mouna-discourse is the most powerful exposition.
                                                 V. 1174, GVK, Edited by Sri D. Godman   

So, oral expositions and lectures are not so eloquent as silence and Brahman cannot be made to shine by them. Guru’s silence is more precious. There is no division in Consciousness. When the guru is silent, in that Silence of unceasing eloquence, the false division in Consciousness as the Guru and the seeker is erased, and the doubts of the seeker is cleared in a trice revealing the Brahman to be his own Self.

Sri Bhagwan:

Youthful Guru ( Dakshinamurti ), you who,
Shining as the divine manifestation of God,
 At the head of the lineage of the Gurus,
Reveal the supreme truth,
The unique speech of (mouna)
That is the mind’s source
 Which is the mother of all language
But which, unlike the spoken word,
Neither appears nor disappears.

All the ancient treatises on jnana
Are merely an introductory preface,
Enunciated by the learned,
To your book of mouna,
Which confers true knowledge.
Are they not therefore alien to true understanding,
Those who, even though they have studied all the others,
Have lost their connection to that ( Book of) mouna ?

                                             GVK, P-500, Sri D. Godman
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« Reply #659 on: March 08, 2011, 07:59:09 AM »
Seekers who came to Sri Bhagwan often prayed to Sri Bhagwan for His Grace. Sri Bhagwan replied that the Self is Grace. The Self is the Eternal Silence . So, Sri Bhagwan says that the Highest Form Of Grace is Silence. His Statement that Silence is the highest upadesa should be understood in this Light. Not only upadesa, Silence is also the loudest prayer as well. Sri Bhawan says in Talk-518 that for the seeker’s silence Guru’s Silence is the loudest upadesa. It is the Grace in the highest form which is interrupted by words. These words obstruct the perennial flow of the Language of Silence which is Grace Itself.

Sri Dakshinamurti, as has been revealed by Sri Bhagwan, first tried to clear the doubts of His four advanced disciples by answering to the doubts raised by them. But , Sri Bhagwan has narrated that as the Adi Guru went on clearing their doubts by speaking many more doubts were created in their mind. Knowing that the doubts of four sons of Sri Brahma cannot be cleared by words, Sri Dakshinamurti became silent and the doubts of the disciples came to an end at once.

Therefore, what one fails to know by oral explanations and conversation that may extend to several years can be known in a trice in Silence. Sri Bhagwan is that Silence embodied. Were not the doubts of those who understood this precious language of Silence were removed in front of the Embodied Silence, Sri Bhagwan ?

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