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Re: Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is enough
« Reply #5160 on: October 30, 2017, 10:42:12 AM »
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"What is it to "hold the Self"?
I suspect it can be translated, "be as you are, ignore passing thoughts"."





Dear Sri Nishta,

I just saw the above quote in 'Rough Notebook' thread. This post of yours gladdened my heart. After a long time someone has posted in this forum something which struck really deep chord within me.

Yes, holding the Self is to be as one really is, ignoring the passing thoughts. Do not doubt it. You have grasped it rather wonderfully. Sri Udai's beautiful observation, in my view, is also quite apt--holding onto self is really to not hold onto non-self. Holding onto non-Self (attachments) is alone obscuring our unimpeded view of the Atma-swarupa!

If during meditation, thoughts are few and far between, hovering only on the periphery of consciousness, weakened enough such that they are not able to externalize the mind, that is, mental movement and thought-wave have been arrested to a great extent, one is able to cling to one's Self, and thoughts can no longer disturb one's quietude obtained from the mediation anymore. That, indeed, is Anthra Vichara or the Inner Quest, Sri Bhagwan speaks of. 

 


Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5161 on: October 30, 2017, 06:34:09 PM »
Q:What is Life?
Sri Bhagwan: Materially speaking Life is the body; spiritually speaking it is the Ultimate Consciousness. It depends on how you look at it.
Q: What is Death?
Sri Bhagwan. It is oblivion of one's real nature.

At this stage a visitor interrupted by asking whether suicide was a wrong act.

Sri Bhagwan: Killing the innocent body is certainly wrong. Suicide must be committed on the mind, where the suffering is deposited, and not on the body, which is insentient and feels nothing. The mind is the real culprit, being the creator of the anguish which tempts to suicide, but by an error of judgement, the innocent, insentient body is punished for it.




Dear devotees, how sad! The innocent, insentient body is punished in suicide, while the main culprit, the mischievous mind escapes the terrible ordeal, only to occupy another body, and play the hoary game all over, once again!!
Pranam,
 Anil 
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« Reply #5162 on: October 31, 2017, 09:15:13 AM »
गुरु गोविंद दोनों खड़े, काके लागूं पाँय ।
बलिहारी गुरु आपनो, गोविंद दियो मिलाय ॥
Sri Kabir

Sri Kabir asks, "If God and Guru both come to me together, who shall I prostrate first?" He then says that Guru is the Affectionate Bestower of Grace (बलिहारी), and it is because of His Grace only that he is able to know God. (trans. by me-Anil)


 


Dear devotees, Sri Bhagwan has taught that God, Guru and the Self are One and the same. But God is unknown. However, the Guru, appearing outside, points out that He is the Inner Self abiding in the hearts of all, and indicates the Way to Him following which His devotees realize Him, verily as the Self. Therefore, Sri Kabir has no doubt as to whom he will prostrate first if God and Guru appear at the same time before him.

Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5163 on: October 31, 2017, 10:14:57 AM »
Dear Anil ji,
        :) Yet another beautiful verse from kabir ke dohe !

The beauty of the whole thing lies in : ishvaro gurur atmeti murti bedha vibhagine , vyomavat vyapta dehaya sri dakshinamurthaye namah...

the difference between ishvara, guru and atma is only in the forms, like vyoma or space , in all these forms there is only sri lord Dakshinamurthi!

so whether a devotee discovers this common "background" in ishvara, guru or atma its just the same. once that common thread is discovered, one sees that its the same in ishvara, guru or atma. often its difficult to recognize it in atma because when we look within we are caught up in our mind and mental activities. hence if we seek out a guru , he will be able to guide us see this and then the difference is only in forms ... as Sri Ramana says :
isha -jiva-yor veshadhi bidhah sva svabhavatah vastu kevalam ... between ishvara and jiva the "vesham" [vesh] or the "form" alone is different in essence there is only One!

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« Reply #5164 on: November 02, 2017, 08:46:25 AM »
जहा  काम  तहा  नाम  नहीं , जहा  नाम  नहीं  वहा  काम  |
दोनों  कभू  नहीं  मिले , रवि  रजनी  इक  धाम  ||
Sri Kabir


He who does not think of God, takes delight in transient, sensual pleasures (काम). He who remembers God knows no sensual infatuation. God and sensual infatuation won't unite as there can be no union of the Sun and the darkness. (trans. by me-anil)

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Re: Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is enough
« Reply #5165 on: November 02, 2017, 08:48:49 AM »
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"The beauty of the whole thing lies in : ishvaro gurur atmeti murti bedha vibhagine , vyomavat vyapta dehaya sri dakshinamurthaye namah...

the difference between ishvara, guru and atma is only in the forms, like vyoma or space , in all these forms there is only sri lord Dakshinamurthi!

so whether a devotee discovers this common "background" in ishvara, guru or atma its just the same. once that common thread is discovered, one sees that its the same in ishvara, guru or atma. often its difficult to recognize it in atma because when we look within we are caught up in our mind and mental activities. hence if we seek out a guru , he will be able to guide us see this and then the difference is only in forms ... as Sri Ramana says :
isha -jiva-yor veshadhi bidhah sva svabhavatah vastu kevalam ... between ishvara and jiva the "vesham" [vesh] or the "form" alone is different in essence there is only One!"







Dear Sri Udai,

Yes, I am totally one with what you have said as in above quote. You are always brilliant at arriving at Truth insightfully, whatever the premise. Here the premise was 'Guru Govind Dono Khade', and you arrived wonderfully at the oneness of Guru, God and Atma. Thanks very much, dear friend.

Dear Sri Udai, have you listened to the musical renderings of Sri Kabir's Dohe? Entire North India sways to the rhythm of the wonderful musical renderings of Sri Kabir's Dohe. I also often hum these days soulfully:   

गुरु गोविंद दोनों खड़े, काके लागूं पाँय ।
बलिहारी गुरु आपनो, गोविंद दियो मिलाय ॥


Thanks very much, dear friend.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5166 on: November 02, 2017, 09:07:47 AM »
Dear Sri Udai, my only submission is this that understanding with such wonderful clarity should not remain only intellectual, and render it in vain. But whoever have understood 'Atma-vidya' with such clarity, should take one final plunge into the depth of one's own Atma-swarupa, remain in solitude, do only profound enquiry (stand still), and thus endeavour to realize the Sat-Chit, which alone is the Goal of all.
Pranam
 Anil   
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« Reply #5167 on: November 02, 2017, 09:55:01 AM »
The attainment of Realization [samadhi], which results at the end of the practice of enquiry into the beloved true knowledge [mey-jnana vichara], is solely due to the Grace of God, who shines as Self, as one's own reality, the Soul of the soul.
V. 724, GVK

Unless the Lord [the God and Guru] who resides within [as Self], by the power of His Grace pulls the mind within, who can, by the mere power of the stealthy and mischievous mind, prevent its out-going nature and reach the Heart and rest in peace?
V. 725, GVK

The Grace of God, whose form is eightfold, cannot be obtained without the Grace of Guru. Neither by vidyas [arts and learning] nor by any other means will Grace be obtained, but only by bhakti [towards Guru].
V. 726, GVK

Let one not doubt whether God's Grace, the great support, has been bestowed on one or not, for the fact that one's mind is much interested in enquiry, having a great liking for release from bondage, is itself sufficient proof [that God's Grace has been bestowed].
V. 727, GVK

To tell the truth, the Grace of God and the enquiry 'Who am I?', which is the means for abiding within, each being a great help to the other, together lead one to the state of oneness with the supreme Self.
V. 728, GVK

Unless the supreme Reality [God or Self] Itself reveals Itself in the Heart, the delusion [maya] of this world-dream will not end. The enquiry 'Who am I who sees this dream?' is the worship [upasana] which brings forth [the Grace of the Supreme for] this revelation.
V. 729, GVK

Attending to one's own Self is said to be the supreme devotion to God, who is unattainable by the mind and so on, because these two [the Self attended to by the enquirer and the God worshipped by the devotees] are in nature [swarupam] one and the same.
V. 730, GVK

Know that the path of Jnana and the path of bhakti are inter-related. Follow these inseparable two paths without dividing one from the other.
V. 731, GVK






Dear devotees, Sri Michael James, while commenting on the above cited Verses, has written thus:
"Since Self is the real life or soul of the pseudo soul, the jiva, It is the real God. Therefore enquiry, which is Self-attention done with great love towards Self, alone is the true worship of God. Thus only through the Grace of God, the Self, does the enquirer become firmly established in samadhi."

"Since God Himself incarnates as Guru, God's Grace is proclaimed to be nought without the Guru's Grace. Since Guru-bhakti is itself God-bhakti, it alone, and nothing else, will enable one to obtain God's Grace."





Therefore, dear devotees, in order to gain the Grace of God and awaken from this unending world-dream, Self-enquiry is certainly  one of the most efficacious spiritual practices ever revealed and enjoined by a great Master and Jnana Guru.

Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5168 on: November 02, 2017, 10:45:58 AM »
Dear Anil ji,
         :) yes I have had the privilege to listen to Kabir Das Dohe. They are simply fantastic.
As regards Atma Nishta, thats my attempt too :) ...
if this is not lived, is not my life wasted ?

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« Reply #5169 on: November 02, 2017, 03:02:48 PM »
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"if this is not lived, is not my life wasted?"


Dear Sri Udai, one who has made earnest and sincere effort to realize the Self need not worry on that count, for, Lord Sri Krishna in Ch. 6 of the Gita has assured that no effort made in the realm of spirituality is ever wasted. One regains the love for and relationship with the Divine that had developed in the previous birth, and they (love for and relation with the Divine) are the starting point in the next birth.  Lord says that in the next birth, such a one, coming in touch with the knowledge of the previous birth, strives even more than before for Perfection, though he may not be aware of it all, and even may not be initially willing to do any sadhana. The awareness of our being, acquired through His Grace and our effort cannot perish at mere death of the body. (In lighter veins) 

Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5170 on: November 02, 2017, 05:45:46 PM »
The Master (Sri Ramakrishna) to Sri Keshab:
"Do you know what actually happens? When a house is on fire, at first a few things inside burn. Then comes the great commotion. Just so, the fire of Knowledge at first destroys such enemies of spiritual life as passion, anger, and so forth. Then comes the turn of the ego. And lastly a violent commotion is seen in the physical frame."
"You may think that everything is going to be over. But God will not release you as long as the slightest trace of your illness is left. You simply cannot leave the hospital if your name is registered there. As long as the illness is not perfectly cured, the doctor won't give you a permit to go. Why did you register your name in the hospital at all?"
(All laugh)
Sri Keshab laughed again and again at the Master's allusion to the hospital.
Source: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna





Dear devotees, the holy Utterance 'As long as the illness is not perfectly cured, the doctor won't give you permit to go' is akin to Sri Bhagwan's Revelation that once one comes within the Ambit of the Guru's Gracious Gaze, there is no escape from the Jaw of His Grace till the slightest trace of ignorance persists in him. Hence after arriving, the apprehension that one may be left stranded--that is --neither one obtains that world nor this one, is totally unfounded.
Pranam,
 Anil
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Re: Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is enough
« Reply #5171 on: November 03, 2017, 08:59:39 AM »
गुरू मूर्ती गती चंद्रमा, सेवक नैन चकोर |
आठ पहर निरखता रहे, गुरू मूर्ती की ओर ||

Sri Kabir

As a Chakor bird always looks at the moon, so also one should always meditate on the form of the Guru and abide by His Holy Utterances. (trans. by me-anil)

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« Reply #5172 on: November 03, 2017, 09:02:34 AM »
Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;

Where knowledge is free;

Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls;

Where words come out from the depth of truth;

Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;

Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;

Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action---

Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.


Gitanjali, Sri Rabindranath Tagore


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« Reply #5173 on: November 03, 2017, 09:07:55 AM »
Thus spake Bhagwan Sri Ramana:

"It is asked why all this creation is so full of sorrow and evil. All one can say is that it is God's will, which is inscrutable. No motive, no desire, no end to achieve can be attributed to that infinite, all-wise and all-powerful Being. God is untouched by activities which take place in His presence. There is no meaning in attributing responsibility and motive to the One, before it became many. But God's will for the prescribed course of events is a good solution for the vexed question of free-will. If the mind is worried over what befalls us, or what has been committed or omitted by us, it is wise to give up the sense of responsibility and free-will, by regarding ourselves as the ordained instruments of the All-Wise and the All Powerful, to do and suffer as He pleases. Then He bears all the burdens and gives us peace."
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Re: Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is enough
« Reply #5174 on: November 04, 2017, 09:14:58 AM »
नर नारी के सूख को, खांसि नहि पहिचान
त्यों ज्ञानि के सूख को, अज्ञानी नहि जान।

Sri Kabir

स्त्री पुरुष के मिलन के सुख को नपुंसक नहीं समझ सकता है।
इसी तरह ज्ञानी का सुख एक मूर्ख अज्ञानी नहीं जान सकता है।

Nar Nari ke sookh ko,khansi nahi pahichan
Tyon gyani ke sookh ko,aagani nahi jan.

As the pleasure of consummation of a man and a woman can never be known by an eunuch (an impotent man), so also the happiness of a Jnani can never be known by an ajnani (an ignorant one). (trans. by me-anil)