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« Reply #5145 on: October 25, 2017, 11:22:13 AM »
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Sri Kabir says that one continues to remain unaware of the divinity within on account of darkness of sleep (ignorance).  He therefore exhorts to wake up from this slumber and remember God. For, there will come a day when one will have to sleep forever, legs outstretched.


Dear devotees, this is not an ordinary sleep. Ordinary state of sleep alternates with the waking one. But this sleep, which is ignorance of our divine nature, has persisted from time immemorial, birth after birth. The great Sage Sri Kabir, in my view, implores us to wake up from this sleep of ignorance to the divinity within and without.   
Pranam,
 Anil

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« Reply #5146 on: October 25, 2017, 12:11:48 PM »
Q: How does one get rid of fear?
Sri Bhagwan: What is fear? It is only a thought. If there is anything besides the Self there is reason to fear. Who sees things separate from the Self? First the ego arises and sees objects as external. If the ego does not rise, the Self alone exists and there is nothing external. For anything external to oneself implies the existence of the seer within. Seeking it there will eliminate doubt and fear. Not  only fear, all other thoughts centred round the ego will disappear along with it.



Dear Devotees,

Sri Bhagwan has taught that the fear haunts us only when we are fully awake and perceive the world, including our body. If we do not see these and remain as our pure Self, as in dreamless sleep, we are not assailed by any fear for anything whatsoever.

Dear devotees, what is it we fear most? The answer is death. And what is it we fear to lose in death? Most likely, the answer will be that we fear dissolution or loss of body in death most. But, nevertheless, Sri Bhagwan has taught that if we trace this fear to the object, the loss of which gives rise to this fear, it is found that object is not the body, the loss in death of which we fear most, but the mind which functions in the body. So, it is not the body which we fear to lose in death. Many a man would be only too glad to be rid of this diseased body and along with it all the problems and inconveniences it creates for him, if only continued and uninterrupted awareness were vouchsafed to him. Therefore, it follows that it is the awareness, or the consciousness, and not the body, one fears most to lose.

Problem is this that unless spiritual consciousness is awakened, we are not able to understand that we only love existence because it is eternal awareness, which is our own Self, for want of attention and acquaintance. But whether we understand it as such or not, it is eternal awareness or existence we fear to lose most.



Sri Bhagwan: Why not then hold on to the pure awareness right now, while in the body, and be free from all fear?



Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil         

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« Reply #5147 on: October 25, 2017, 03:35:10 PM »
Dr. H., of the small group of Americans, who spent a few weeks in the Ashram in February 1936, asked Sri Maharshi if there exists such a thing as a Personal God.

Sri Bhagavan: Yes, Ishvara.
Dr. H. (with astonishment): What? with eyes, nose, ears, etc.?
Sri Bhagwan. Yes, if you have them why should not God also have them?
Sri Cohen. When I read in the Kabbala and the Puranas that God has these organs, I laugh.
Sri Bhagwan. Why don't you laugh at yourself for having them?
Source: Guru Ramana





Dear devotees, as is the eye, so is the sight. But from the standpoint of highest Truth, neither God has these organs, nor we. If the Eye is Jnana-chakshu, God is formless, and so are we. This is the Truth. However, if one is happy having these organs and enjoying life to one's heart contentment, who compels such a one to seek the elusive Self that one always is? If one is not able to listen to the silent but powerful whispering beckoning from within, so what? Majority of people in the world do not care, and are living quite happily, remaining all the while blissfully unaware of the great Truth within them. That's how things have always been, even when Great Lords themselves (Sri Rama, Sri Krishna, etc.) had been here, always are, and always will be.

Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5148 on: October 25, 2017, 04:48:27 PM »
The Master (Sri Ramakrishna) sang:

Remember this, O mind! Nobody is your own:
Vain is your wandering in this world.
Trapped in the subtle snare of maya as you are,
Do not forget the Mother's name.

Only a day or two men honour you on earth
As lord and master; all too soon
That form, so honoured now, must needs be cast away,
When Death, the Master, seizes you.

Even your beloved wife, for whom, while you live,
You fret yourself almost to death,
Will not go with you then; she too will say farewell,
And shun your corpse as an evil thing.

Source: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrsihna


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« Reply #5149 on: October 25, 2017, 05:35:33 PM »
Dear Anil ji,
      That is so much like Bhaja Govindam isnt it ?
:)

The second and third verses are almost the same...
second one is : ma kuru dhana jana yavvana garvam harati nimeshat kalat sarvam. [do not pride in money, people support and youth, in one twinkling of the eye time may take away everything]
third one is : yavat pavano nivasati dehe , tavat prchati kushalam gehe gatavati vayo dehapaye bharya bibhyati tasmin kaye [as long as you breathe in air, people ask about your wellfare, the moment air or prana leaves this body, even your wife shall fear this body]

infact even the first one seems to be :
ka the kanta, dana gata cinta, vatula kim tava nasti niyanta ?

Love!
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« Reply #5150 on: October 26, 2017, 11:35:37 AM »
मूढ जहीहि धनागमतृष्णां
कुरु सद्बुद्धिं मनसि वितृष्णाम् ।
यल्लभसे निजकर्मोपात्तं
वित्तं तेन विनोदय चित्तम् ॥
V. 2, Bhaj Govindam

Oh fool ! Give up your thirst to amass wealth, devote your
mind to thoughts to the Real. Be content with what comes
through actions already performed in the past.




यावत्पवनो निवसति देहे
तावत्पृच्छति कुशलं गेहे ।
गतवति वायौ देहापाये
भार्या बिभ्यति तस्मिन्काये ॥
V.6, Bhaj Govindam

When one is alive, his family members enquire kindly about his
welfare. But when the soul departs from the body, even his wife
runs away in fear of the corpse.





Dear Sri Udai,

Yes, the import of the song that the Master, Sri Ramakrishna sang, is almost the same as expounded in Bhaj Govindam by Jagat Guru Sri Shankaracharya. However, in my view, Bhaj Govindam is much more profound. It is supposed to be the 'Prakarana Grantha' or a prelude to His Major Works, such as Vivek Chudamani, etc. Though the immortal song has been sung as a bhajan, it contains the essence of the Vedanta and almost all His later compositions. And I am sure that you know about Jagat Guru and His compositions better than me. However, I was struck by its simplicity, compared to His other compositions, in which the Verses of the Bhaj Govindam implore man to think as to why he is here to solve what purpose, in this life; as to why man amasses so much wealth, creates and maintains so many relationships, yet has no peace at all. Why? What is the purpose of life for which we came? The song itself thus is capable of awakening in one the spiritual consciousness which sets him on a path back to the Atma-swarupa or the Self or one's Real Nature.



Thanks very much, dear friend, Sri Udai.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5151 on: October 28, 2017, 12:27:40 PM »
जो  तू  चाहे  मुक्ति  को , छोड़  दे  सबकी  आस  |
मुक्त  ही  जैसा  हो  रहे , सब  कुछ  तेरे  पास  ||

Sri Kabir


If you want salvation you should shun all desires and expectations. Once you gain salvation, and remain as That, you gain everything.

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« Reply #5152 on: October 28, 2017, 12:29:30 PM »
Dear Devotees,

I just saw Sri Atmavichar's questions and few beautiful responses his questions have elicited. I also felt an urge to say a few words regarding the same, as following:

Questions are: "How does though originate ? What determines the difference in thoughts that emerge in various people's minds? Is it past karma, present karma or is the whole thing just random?"



Dear devotees, it would be, in my view, more appropriate to ask why thoughts arise, and not how thoughts arise. Sri Bhagwan has taught that the ego's perfection is suddenly broken at a point and a want is felt giving rise to a thought of a desire or a thought to get something or do something. And when that want is cured by the fulfillment, the ego is happy and the original perfection is restored. This is why happiness is said to be our real nature.
 
Though It is only One, yet by Its wondrous Power It gets reflected on the tiny dot 'I' (the ego) otherwise known as ignorance or the aggregate of latent tendencies. The tiny dot 'I', made up of darkness, is the ego consisting of vasanas or latent tendencies. This ego or the seer or the pseudo subject rising, it expands itself as the seen, the object or the inner organs.

The 'I'-thought is the all important thought. Personality idea or concept is the root or stem of all other thoughts.  Inner latent tendencies are not the same in each person. Therefore, thoughts would arise in a person due to force of the latent tendencies or predispositions or vasanas unique to him; and this determines the difference in thoughts that arise in each individual. At this point, we need to remember that each idea or thought arises as someone's thought and is not known to exist independently. Ego alone operates as the perceiver of the existence of thoughts and their logical sequence. Ego alone exhibits thought-activity. However, it is true that we, born as human beings, inherit all the characteristics of human race, and therefore, we would naturally think as human beings and not as other species. So, this answers the first and second questions as raised above.

As for the last question as to whether it is past karma, present karma or the whole thing is just random, I wish to say that the whole thing is not just random. There is no doubt that all this is according to one's prarabdha or the past karma now fructifying. One's prarabdha manifests the inner latent tendencies as thoughts and actions in a person on the one hand, and the outer gross external world on the other. 

Dear devotees, relative world or creation is a system of forms. Therefore, the moment we identify ourselves with a form and say 'I am this physical body', we at once inadvertently identify with the whole of creation. We are one with it and not apart from it, whether we are aware or not. Self is ever free, but nature-- physical as well as mental-- is bound and are subject to rigid laws. Therefore, if we do not seek and realize the Self that we are, and instead, continue to identify with the body-mind complex, we, sure, are caught up in the Law.

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5153 on: October 28, 2017, 03:45:41 PM »
Contd from my previous post:

सदृशं चेष्टते स्वस्या: प्रकृतेर्ज्ञानवानपि |
प्रकृतिं यान्ति भूतानि निग्रह: किं करिष्यति ||

 
V.3-33, Gita

sadṛiśhaṁ cheṣhṭate svasyāḥ prakṛiter j?ānavān api
prakṛitiṁ yānti bhūtāni nigrahaḥ kiṁ kariṣhyati

Even wise people act according to their natures, for all living beings are propelled by their natural tendencies. What will one gain by repression?




Dear devotees, thus even Lord Sri Krishna has taught in the Gita that propelled by their nature people are inclined to act in accordance with their individual modes, that is, according to the latent tendencies. Lord says to Sri Arjuna, "Your own Kshatriya (warrior) nature will compel you to fight and slay your enemies in the battle field. You will be driven to do it by your own latent inclination." But, in truth, we are the ever free Atma or the Self, while the nature--both external as well as internal-- is bound by Law.  Therefore, nature should be sublimated or transcended by shifting the goal from worldly pursuits and enjoyment to Self-realization.   
  Pranam,
   Anil
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« Reply #5154 on: October 28, 2017, 04:08:57 PM »
Dear Devotees,

I just saw Sri Atmavichar's questions and few beautiful responses his questions have elicited. I also felt an urge to say a few words regarding the same, as following:



I recall a lovely answer Maharshi sometimes gave to such questions,

On waking in the morning do you inquire as to the karma of the characters in your dream. No you do not.
Likewise, no need to inquire of such matters to this dream person that is now.
(paraphrased)

Maharshi's answers of course, changed depending upon the receptivity.




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« Reply #5155 on: October 28, 2017, 04:24:19 PM »
जो  तू  चाहे  मुक्ति  को , छोड़  दे  सबकी  आस  |
मुक्त  ही  जैसा  हो  रहे , सब  कुछ  तेरे  पास  ||
Sri Kabir


If you want salvation you should shun all desires and expectations. Once you gain salvation, and remain as That, you gain everything.







Dear devotees, while I had been posting Sri Kabir's Doha today (quoted above), I remembered V.12 of Ch. 16 of the Gita:




आशापाशशतैर्बद्धा: कामक्रोधपरायणा: |
ईहन्ते कामभोगार्थमन्यायेनार्थसञ्जयान् ||

V. 12, Ch.-16, Gita

āśhā-pāśha-śhatair baddhāḥ kāma-krodha-parāyaṇāḥ
īhante kāma-bhogārtham anyāyenārtha-sanchayān

Held in bondage by hundreds of desires, and driven by lust and anger, they strive to accumulate wealth by unjust means, all for the gratification of their senses.


Pranam,
 Anil
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« Reply #5156 on: October 28, 2017, 04:55:07 PM »
Quote:
"On waking in the morning do you inquire as to the karma of the characters in your dream. No you do not. Likewise, no need to inquire of such matters to this dream person that is now. (paraphrased)"


Dear Sri Nishta,

But there is a difference between the dream that one sees while sleeping and the waking dream. In that dream one has no idea that one is dreaming. This is why one has to satiate one's dream hunger with dream food, even when one went to sleep filling the stomach to the full. And one wakes up from the night-dream of one's own accord, without making any effort on his behalf to wake up. But one has some inkling that this waking state is a dream. And therefore, one has to make effort on his behalf, as taught by the Guru, to wake up from this waking dream. And while one is practicing Sri Bhagwan's Vichara, some intellectual knowledge and understanding are essential. Hence Sri Bhagwan has enjoined that only intellectual knowledge is not enough, but one should endeavour to push the enquiry deeper and deeper, until the Self is realized.

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil   
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« Reply #5157 on: October 28, 2017, 08:15:16 PM »
As snow in water, let me melt as love in Thee, Who art love itself, Oh Arunachala!
V.101, Sri Arunachala Aksharamanamalai

Sri Muruganar's commentary on the cited Verse:

"Through its nature as consciousness-bliss, Sivam is the very form of love. This supreme devotion (parabhakti) occurs when one dissolves and unites with Sivam as the form of that love, like a hailstorm in water. Know that this supreme devotion is in truth identical, in terms of both its nature and the experience of it, with the supreme knowledge (parajnana) in which one discerns one's own truth in the truth of the supreme Reality, subsiding into it and merging with it."   
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« Reply #5158 on: October 29, 2017, 10:02:33 AM »
Dear Sri Nishta,

If a person is aware that this is a dream person, he should wake up then and there, and realize who really he is. But despite this awareness, awakening to his real Swarupa does not happen. Why? Because the ghost called ego, which is merely an aggregate of latent tendencies, and which have arrogated the Self to itself, has not been destroyed or revealed as false for the real Self to shine forth. When a sleeping person dreams, he is not aware that this is a dream. And yet, he wakes up of his own accord. Now, in the waking state, one has inkling that this is a mere dream by hearing from the Guru or by reading scriptures or by Satsanga, yet he does not awaken to his Atma-swarupa because of the latent tendencies only. Therefore, onus lies on us to make effort as per Guru's Teaching, obtain His Grace, and realize the Self, which is the only purpose of otherwise this mundane life. And this discussion is only part of that effort, and is useful in that it keeps driving home the very truth that you have mentioned that this is a dream person after all, that this world is mithya, a mere dream. Surely such discussions, as we do in this forum, help reduce the ego at least to some extent.

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
 Anil     
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« Reply #5159 on: October 29, 2017, 10:22:05 AM »
बालस्तावत्क्रीडासक्तः
तरुणस्तावत्तरुणीसक्तः ।
वृद्धस्तावच्चिन्तासक्तः
परमे ब्रह्मणि कोऽपि न सक्तः ||
V.7, Bhaj Govindam

The childhood is lost by attachment to playfulness. Youth is lost by attachment to woman. Old age passes away by thinking over many things. But there is hardly anyone who wants to be lost in parabrahman.




का ते कान्ता कस्ते पुत्रः
संसारोऽयमतीव विचित्रः ।
कस्य त्वं कः कुत आयात-
स्तत्त्वं चिन्तय तदिह भ्रातः ||
V.8, BhaJ Govindam

Who is your wife? Who is your son? Strange is this samsara,the world. Of whom are you? From where have you come? Brother, ponder over these truths.