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« Reply #4635 on: March 07, 2016, 08:31:31 AM »
Each time a thought arises, do not entertain the idea of allowing it to develop even slightly. Instead, the proper course is to first enquire oneself, 'To whom has this thought occurred?
V. 397, GVK, Sri David Godman
   

"This thought has occurred to me, has it not? Now, 'Who Am I'"? If one enquires in this way, diving within, the mind reaching its source, will subside, and the thought that arose will also vanish.
V. 398, GVK, Sri David Godman 

As you repeatedly practice in this way day after day, the mind will become very pure through the removal of its impurities and the resultant enquiry will become so effortless, as soon as you begin the enquiry, the mind will merge in the Heart.
V. 399, GVK, Sri David Godman





Dear Devotees,


The book ssays that Sri Bhagwan made significant changes to the original version of the Verse 399,which read:


"It is very difficult for a mind with roving nature to abide in the Heart. But when you repeatedly practice in this way (the way described in the Verse 398) day after day, as soon as you begin the enquiry, merging and abiding in the Heart will become effortless."




Dear devotees, my sole purpose to write the above Verses from the GVK is to reiterate once again that there is indeed no need to take up any other discipline for chit-sudhi or the purification of the mind to begin the Enquiry. If one practices Enquiry in this way (as taught in Verse 397 and V. 398) repeatedly, day after day, the impurities and impressions are removed and the mind goes on becoming purer and purer. And one should not doubt that resultant enquiry will become effortless and spontaneous such that as soon as one begins Enquiry the mind merges in the Heart. Moreover, when mental impressions or impurities are residual and few and far between on account of the repeated practice, the power of the mind to abide in its Source (Self-abidance) increases. Sri Bhagwan has taught that in the short-cut of the Swarupa-Vichara no fear or confusion arises because of the non-dual nature of the Self. Therefore, it follows from this discussion that only vasnas, or predispositions remain to be tackled for those who are willing to take up Enquiry as the main sadhana, and those are tackled most efficiently and effectively by the Enquiry itself. Hence the saying, "The best preparation for the Self-enquiry is the Self-enquiry itself!"


Thanks very much.
Pranam,
  Anil         
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« Reply #4636 on: March 07, 2016, 12:21:05 PM »
I shall truly proclaim the quintessence of the upadesa that is conclusively arrived at by Vedanta in all its entirety. With the death of the Ego in the Natural State of Being the Self and in experiencing the unity of Brahman and the Self, the Self alone--the very form of Awareness--remains as the Sole survivor.
V. 40, Reality in Forty Verses: Supplement




Sri K. Lakshamana Sarma's beautiful commentary on the above Verse is as follows:

The Upanishads are called Vedanta (the concluding part of the Vedas containing the conclusively established Truth in them). The Principle of Verity that is unfolded and upheld in them is called Sidhantam and that can be confirmed and ascertained only by  EXPERIENCE. This Text bespeaks of such an experientially ascertained axiomatic verity. In the state of the Experience of the Principle of Self, the Self is the sole survivor and all else--the mind, its expanded manifestation like the worlds that flourish within the mind, God, jivas et al--perish when their source and the progenitor ego is liquidated. What remains, Sole and Whole, is the Non-dual Content. That is Sat (Being) and Chit (Consciousness), the mass of Awareness. It is the unassailable basic Truth of everything, like the basic gold of all ornaments of gold.
What is to be known is that the names and forms are many and momentary and therefore unreal. The Imperishable and Changeless Being and Awareness, is the Truth declared.
This State of Non-duality--the Experience of being the Self--is attained by being solely centered on Atam-Vichara, through association with the enlightened sages, devotion and discrimination, and sinking into the Heart by the steady practice of Atma-vichara leading to the extirpation of the ego.
This is quintessence of the contents of this Upanishad, Ulladu Narpadu

 



Dear Devotees,


Sri K. Lakshamana  Sarma's commentary is indeed wonderful, to say the least.  It is well known that Sri Bhagwan considered his commentary faultless,  and even went on to persuade late Sri Chinna Swami, the first President  of Sri Ramanasramam, to publish the same.  When I first saw his commentary I was wonder-struck with its beauty and profundity.

For instance, how beautifully he says that in experiencing the unity of Self and Brahman, the Self-alone--the very form of Awareness --remains as the Sole Survivor, and in this state of experience of the Self everything--the mind, its gross manifestation like the world and myriad objects that flourish within the mind, God, jivas et al perish because in that Experience of the Principle of the Self, their source, the progenitor ego is totally obliterated such that there is not even the trace of the 'I'-thought is to be found.     

Dear devotees, the adjective 'axiomatic' means 'clear and evident without proof. Does it not? The Imperishable and Changeless Being and Awareness is an Axiomatic Verity which can be ascertained only experientially, and hence the emphasis on Vichara because it bestows that experience from the very beginning and by degrees leads to That. This is certain.



Thanks very much.
 Pranam,
   Anil
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« Reply #4637 on: March 08, 2016, 06:42:39 PM »
A visitor: All are said to be Brahman.
Sri Bhagwan: Yes, they are. But so long as you think that they are apart they are to be avoided. If on the other hand they are found to be Self there is no need to say 'all'. For all that exists is only Brahman. There is nothing besides Brahman.
D: Ribhu Gita speaks of so many objects as unreal, adding at the end they are all Brahman and thus real.
Sri Bhagwan: Yes, When you see them as so many they are asat, i.e. unreal. Whereas when you see them as Brahman they are real, deriving their reality from their substratum, Brahman.
D: Why then does Upadesa Sara speak of the body, etc., as jada, i.e. insentient?
Sri Bhagwan: Inasmuch as you say they are body etc., apart from the Self.  But when the Self is found this body, etc., are also found to be in it. Afterwards no one will ask the question and no one will say that they are insentient.
D: Viveka is said to be discrimination between the Self and the non-self. What is the non-self?
Sri Bhagwan: There is no non-self, in fact. The non-self also exists in the Self. It is the Self which speaks of the non-self because it has forgotten itself. Having lost hold of itself, it conceives something as non-self which is after all nothing but itself. 
Talk--310







Dear Devotees,


The above Teaching is in perfect accord with the Gita's Teaching as contained in V. 2-16 and V. 9-19. The Gita has taught that unreal (asat) can never come into existence, and the Real (Sat) can never cease to be (V. 2-16); and in V. 9-19, Sri Krishna says, "I am both being and non-being."  These two Verses of the Gita appear to be mutually contradictory. Solution lies in Sri Bhagwan's Teaching. Sri Bhagwan has taught that in fact, there is no non-self, that is, there is no asat, or non-being. If only we could understand that there is nothing apart from the Atma-swarupa, all this becomes obvious! All is the Self. We are the Self. And so, we, the Self, have lost hold of ourselves and CONCEIVE something as the non-self. Therefore, only in the state of relativity, due to ignorance or avidya, they appear as so many. When we hold ourselves, and  realize the Self, real seeing (Jnana Chakshu) happens, and then we realize that they are not apart, they are essentially the Self, and derive their reality from the Swarupa, which alone is the Substratum (or Screen) of all appearances whatsoever. It is indeed wonderful and beautiful when the Investigation reveals and one realizes that Swarupa is all, the body, world, objects, et al!!

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
  Anil   
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« Reply #4638 on: March 11, 2016, 05:55:16 PM »
Dear Devotees,



Self-enquiry as revealed by Sri Bhagwan is a grand fusion of Knowledge and Love, or Jnana and Bhakti, as I have affirmed on several occasions under this topic. Self is God or Brahman. Therefore, it follows that firm and unwavering resolve to realize the Self is the perfect devotion. But we should remember that firm and unwavering resolve to seek, reach and realize the Self is the very life-breath of the Sadhana of the Atma-vichara.

Dear devotees, Single-pointedness of the mind is nothing but channelizing all mental energies into a single current and directing ingathered energy Heart-ward. This single-ponitedness of the mind and dispassion strengthen the mental resolve to gain the Experience of the Self. Atma-vichara thus enables an earnest and sincere seeker and devotee to develop or cultivate intense dispassion and fervent longing for the realization of the Real Self or Swarupa.

The intense dispassion and intense longing to realize the Self has rightly been termed as Perfect Devotion. Sri Bhagwan has taught that when this is obtained through supremely beneficial Vichara and heart melts in loving devotion and reaches the Heart Cave, subtle Eye of Intellect (Jana Chakshu or Eye of Wisdom) opens and the Atma-swarupa  is realized.

Dear devotees, Atma-vichara is that Spiritual Sadhana in which no hiding place for the ego is allowed. Ego goes on weakening with every attempt to dive Hear-ward, with intense attention and longing to find the Source of the mind or the ego. Every thought, or every concept with which the ego indentifies itself is forced to come out from its entrenched, hiding places and is destroyed at its very place of rising until the ego itself is destroyed totally--root, branch, et al, and Supreme Silence of the Self alone remains. This Sadhana does not allow ego to remain trapped in its concepts, since Vichara demolishes, one by one, every concept whatever, till ego is devoid of concept. Such weakened ego, devoid of concepts, thoughts, desire, forms,  bodies, et al, cannot survive the intense searchlight of the Vichara and therefore  disappears, and That which Is remains alone. That which Is is simple Being only, and That we Are, spaceless and timeless simple Being!     
 

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
  Anil
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« Reply #4639 on: March 12, 2016, 10:16:47 AM »
Sri Bhagwan: The heart need not be taken to be fleshy one. It does not matter.  WE  ARE  NOT  CONCERNED  WITH  ANYTHING  LEASS  THAN  THE SELF.  ABOUT  THAT  WE  HAVE  CERTAINTY  WITHIN;  NO  DOUBTS  OR  DISCUSSIONS. 



Q: Worldly life is so distracting to aspirants.
Sri Bhagwan: Do not allow yourself to be distracted. Enquire for whom there is distraction. It will not afflict you after a little practice.
Q: But even the attempt is impossible.
Sri Bhagwan: Make it and it will be found not so difficult.
Q: The kundalini is said to rise from spinal base?
Sri Bhagwan: That current is ourselves.
Source: Conscious Immortality (Talk--29 &293)




Dear devotees, make it and it will be found not so difficult, because the Self as the Inner Guru is ever beckoning everyone of us from within. It is mind that says that even the attempt is impossible, for after a little practice world not only begins to lose power to afflict, but one begins to experience joy, and one looks forward to the Enquiry and is engaged in doing it whenever one finds time, and whenever one remembers it.
Pranam,
  Anil
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« Reply #4640 on: March 12, 2016, 06:45:05 PM »
Mr. Ekanath Rao: What is sphurana (a kind of indescribable but palpable sensation in the heart centre)?

Sri Bhagwan: Sphurana is felt on several occasions, such as in fear, excitement, etc. Although it is always and all over, yet it is felt at a particular centre and on particular occasions. It is also associated with antecedent causes and confounded with the body. Whereas, it is all alone and pure; it is the Self. If the mind be fixed on the sphurana and one senses it continuously and automatically it is realization.
Again sphurana is the foretaste of Realization. It is pure. The subject and object proceed from it. If the man mistakes himself for the subject, objects must necessarily appear different from him. They are periodically withdrawn and projected, creating the world and the subject's enjoyment of the same. If, on the other hand, the man feels himself to be the screen on which the subject and object are projected there can be no confusion, and he can remain watching their appearance and disappearance without perturbation to the cause.
Talk--62



Dear devotees, many of us who practice Atma-vichara may have experienced Sphurana, some time or the other, on certain occasions in the heart centre or in the other centre, but might have not recognized it as such, and may have confounded it with the body. The above Teaching contains many great clues, which may help us to progress on the sadhana path.

Sri S.S. Cohen observes regarding above as following:
This is encouraging to the followers of the path of vichara to know that  the Supreme Consciousness sends its harbinger to welcome them a good time in advance--a harbinger which in the end turns out to be the Host Himself, the Supreme Lord of the House, nay, Guest and Home all in one.
Pranam,
   Anil     
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« Reply #4641 on: March 12, 2016, 06:53:36 PM »
A high officer asked: If juniors are promoted over oneself the mind is perturbed. Will the enquiry, 'Who Am I?' help the man to soothe the mind under such circumstances?

Sri Bhagwan: Yes. Quite so. The enquiry 'Who am I?' turns the mind inward and makes it calm.
Talk--63         

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« Reply #4642 on: March 13, 2016, 08:29:50 AM »
Sri Greenlees: Work leaves no time for meditation. Is the constant reminder 'I am' , trying to feel it while actually at work, enough?
Sri Bhagwan: It will become constant when the mind is strengthened. Repeated practice strengthens the mind; and such mind is capable of holding on to the current. In that case, engagement in work or no engagement the current remains unaffected and uninterrupted.
Sri Greenlees: No separate meditation is necessary?
Sri Bhagwan: Meditation is your true nature. You call it mediation, because there are other thoughts distracting you. When these thoughts are dispelled, you remain alone, i.e. in the state of meditation free from of thoughts; and that is your real nature which you are now attempting to gain by keeping away other thoughts. Such keeping away other thoughts is now called meditation. When the practice becomes firm, the real nature shows itself as the true meditation. Other thoughts arise more forcibly when you attempt meditation.
Talk--310




Dear Devotees,

Holding 'I am' is to hold the current of meditation with effort.  When the practice becomes firm with the repeated practice, and mind gains strength to hold  on to the current 'I am',  state of effortless meditation is reached where other thoughts do not distract anymore,  current of meditation  is not disrupted due to engagement in the work;  experience of  'I am', without  sense perceptions and thoughts, remains alone.
Dear devotees, this is what is called state of Self-abidance or effortless state of Self-attention.  This, in my view, is the meaning of Sri Bhagwan's Statement : MEDITATION  IS  OUR  TRUE  NATURE.   The effortless Self-abidance is real Self-enquiry or the advanced Atma-vichara affirmed by so many old and new devotees of Sri Bhagwan. 

It follows therefore that  the Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is a complete, holistic Sadhana, that is, first it prepares the earnest and sincere sadhakas  by obliterating the vasnanas and their thoughts from one's consciousness, or they are so weakened that they do not have distracting power anymore.  Thus, in the preliminary stages of the Sadhana of Sri Bhagwan's Vichara, it disposes of the vasnans or the predispositions strengthening thereby the mind, and this strengthened mind is capable of holding on to the current of mediation ('I am'), and leading, with perseverance, to the effortless state,  BY  DEGREES.  AND  ONCE  THE  EFFORTLESS STATE  IS  REACHED,  REAL   VICHARA  HAPPENS ,  CULMINATING   IN  SWARUPA--JNANAM. 

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
    Anil   

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« Reply #4643 on: March 13, 2016, 02:14:17 PM »
Major Sri A.W. Chadwick: Of what nature is the realization of the Westerners who relate that they have had flashes of cosmic consciousness?

Sri Bhagwan: It comes as a flash and disappears likewise in a flash. That which has a beginning must also end. Only when the ever-present consciousness is realized will it be permanent. Consciousness is indeed always with us. Everyone knows himself as 'I am'. No one can deny his own being.
Talk--96




Dear devotees, flashes may be real or a mere trick of the mind. I do not know what exactly is meant by 'flashes of the cosmic consciousness' by the Westerners. It is well known that Sri Bhagwan used this term to mean Self or Brahman, and therefore, it can have only non-dual meaning. However, if  Western Mystic and Clairvoyant  view flashes of the cosmic consciousness dualistically, in a subject-object relationship, seer-seen dualism,  QUITE  FORGETTING  THAT  THE  SELF OR   'I'  IS  THE  LIGHT, it indeed is only trick of the mind, which need to be transcended by asking, 'Who sees these flashes?' and discover the Pure Consciousness which is verily the Self or Brahman. Therefore, for all people, irrespective of religions or nationalities, goal is only  one, and that is, to realize the ever-present consciousness. Yes, ours is the Creed of the Absolute, Non-dual Self. Indeed, we, devotees of Bhagwan Sri Ramana, is interested in nothing less than the Real Self or the Atma-swarupa. Are we not?
Pranam,
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« Reply #4644 on: March 13, 2016, 03:33:07 PM »
D: If the jiva is by nature identical with the Self, what is it that prevents the jiva from realizing its true nature?
Sri Bhagwan: It is forgetfulness of the jiva's nature; this is known as the power of veiling.
D: If  it is true that the jiva has forgotten itself, how does the 'I'-experience arise for all?
Sri Bhagwan: The veil does not completely hide the jiva; it only hides the Self-nature of 'I' and projects the 'I am the body' notion; but it does not hide the Self's existence which is 'I' and which is real and eternal.
Source: Self-enquiry



Dear Devotees,

Sri Bhagwan has taught that the Jiva which is mind, is in reality the pure Self, but forgetting this truth, it imagines itself to be an individual soul and gets bound in the shape of the mind, and thus feels limited and bound on account of only mental identification with the body, etc.

However, the Jiva which has forgotten itself will not become the Self through mediate knowledge.


Sri Bhagwan: Will a person become a high officer by merely looking at him? Is it not by steady effort in that direction that he could become a highly placed officer?


The ignorance, or the power of veiling cannot not hide the Self's existence which is real and eternal 'I', as we are aware, but it hides the Self-nature  of 'I' and projects the 'I am the body' notion, which is unreal and transitory. Therefore, the means to be free is devotion, which is of the nature of reflection on one's own Self. The reflection on the Self, if practiced constantly, destroys the mind, and thereafter destroys itself much like the stick used to stir the funeral pyre. Then we truly understand intutively the import of the statement that the Jiva is Siva and Siva Himself is the Jiva, that Jiva is indeed no other than Siva!

Thanks very much.
Pranam,
  Anil
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« Reply #4645 on: March 13, 2016, 06:25:17 PM »
D: My mind is very unsteady. What should I do?
Sri Bhagwan: Fix your attention on any sigle thing and try to hold on to it. All will be right.
D: I find concentration difficult.
Sri Bhagwan: Go on practicing. Your concentration will be as easy as breathing. That will be the crown of your achievements.
D: Are not abstinence and pure food helpful?
Sri Bhagwan: Yes, all that is good. (Then Maharshi concentrates and silently gazes at vacancy, and thus sets an example to the questioner.)





Dear devotees, gazing but not seeing is gazing at vacancy. Where is the Gaze then? It s at That Which IS. It is the Meditation, which is our Real Nature, Sri Bhagwan often speaks of. 
Pranam,
   Anil
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« Reply #4646 on: March 14, 2016, 06:16:23 AM »
D: Is it not possible to get a vision of God?
Sri Bhagwan: Yes. You see this and that. Why not see God? Only you must know what God is. All are seeing God always. But they do not know it. You find out what God is. People see, yet see not, because they know not God.



D:Is it not the Advaita doctrine to become one with God?
Sri Bhagwan: Where is becoming? The thinker is all the while the Real. He ultimately realizes the fact. Sometimes we forget our identities, as in sleep and dreams. But God is perpetual consciousness.





Dear devotees, discussion regarding above two short conversations would follow in next few post under this topic, sometime later in the day or evening.
Pranam,
  Anil

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« Reply #4647 on: March 14, 2016, 06:19:43 AM »


In Tiruvannamalai, after Bhagavan Ramana's Maha Nirvana, many people thought there
was nothing else to do with the absence of Ramana in body, so they packed off.  Soon,
in one or two years, their minds starting playing all sorts of mischief and they found
themselves like a ball falling down the stair case!  Quick fall from all the sadhana done earlier
in a year's time.  They all soon came back, back to His lap, His Sannidhi, His Presence, which
is glowing more effulgently than even before.  They got their peace of minds and continued their
sadhana.  Only Osborne, Lucy Osborne, Chadwick, Viswanathaswami, Kunju Swami and
Annamalai Swami had stood to their grounds and they had gained the uninterrupted flow
of Bhagavan Ramana's grace.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #4648 on: March 14, 2016, 09:52:10 AM »
Annamalai Swamy does not belong to this list. He was told by Bhagawan to leave the Ashram and he settled nearby. Under the directions of Bhagwan, he never met him in person for the last several years of Bhagawan's life. He did not even pay his respects in person when Bhagawan passed away though he was living nearby. He followed Bhagawan's instructions to the letter. Bhagawan probably saw that Annamalai Swami was more advanced than the others and no longer needed to be physically close to him.

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« Reply #4649 on: March 14, 2016, 10:11:44 AM »
Dear Sadhak,

I mentioned Annamalai Swami because he lived in Tiruvannamalai.


Arunachala Siva.