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« Reply #3960 on: November 13, 2014, 10:26:34 AM »
Sri Sadhu Om: People want a 'living guru'. I suppose they expect him to show them the way to a 'living God'. Guru wants us to see ourself as brahman, but we want to see brahman as a human form. Bhagavan always said that self alone is guru, and that his body is unnecessary. He proved this by giving the flash of true knowledge only after he had left his body. Muruganar said that Bhagavan always said that his body was a veil over the reality, and so the light only became clear when his body passed away.
People say to me, 'It's alright for you to say a living guru is unnecessary, but you had a living guru'. To them I say that what I learnt from my living guru is that a living guru is unnecessary, and everyone else can learn the same if they study Bhagavan's works and do a little manana (reflection) on their import.
Unless you understand that self is guru, even a living guru cannot help you. Most people who were with Bhagavan didn't get moksha because they didn't want it. Bhagavan teaches us that sooner or later we must be satisfied with self, so why not be satisfied with it now?
People think that the guru must be a person, but guru is only the first person, the real 'I' within us. Not satisfied with this first person, they go seeking a second person to be their guru. Our aim, however, should only be to get rid of even the first person (our ego) -to drown our false personhood in self.
When our guru says that he cannot give us moksha unless we want it, we should think, 'What, am I really such an important factor?' and thus our attention should be drawn back to ourself. In fact, guru gives us moksha by making us want it, and therefore he always stresses the need for us to wish for it and to make effort for it.

Indeed, guru is all in all, so he is essential and he alone can give us moksha. He is however our own self, sat-cit-ananda, so he gives us moksha, which is our natural state of being (sat), by means of knowledge (cit) and love (ananda). He makes us know and love him as our own self.




Dear Devotees,

If one comes to Sadguru, Bhagwan Sri Ramana's Lotus Feet, His Grace ushers in the dawn of the state of enquiry, and one, more often than not, is likely to start attending to 'oneself'. The strangle-hold of the false personal self gradually lessens, and we are truly on the straight path, that is, on our way to drown or merge the false personality in the mighty impersonality. Impersonality alone is full of Self, Blissful Consciousness. One begins to understand the import of the statement that Guru is none other than one's own Inner, Real Self, and God Himself. He thus makes us know and love Him as our own Self. Therefore,

"ADORE  THE  SELF  BY  THE  SELF,  WORSHIP  THE  SELF  BY  THE  SELF, BEHOLD  THE  SELF  BY  THE  SELF,  AND  BE  FIRMLY  ESTABLISHED  BY  THE  SELF  IN  THE  SELF."


Thanks very much.
Pranam,
  Anil 

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« Reply #3961 on: November 13, 2014, 05:56:56 PM »
Dear devotees, what follows is an excerpt from an Article published in the Mountain Path, named 'Clare Cameron: Set Free To Live', authored by devotee Sri Philip Pegler:

After many years of following in good faith Ramana Maharshi's profound path of Self-enquiry, I am finally glad to be able to confirm from my own hardwon experience that his potent method of dispelling the illusions of ignorance really does work - and the claims made for its supreme efficacy are not exaggerated. Anybody who honestly cares to ask the fundamental question 'Who am I?' with tenacity and courage will surely undergo an
unutterable transformation of outlook such as never could have been envisaged in the ordinary way. Without knowing quite how or why, it is as if one has been set free to live - and the world has been made totally new in the light of a wholesome attitude. When you finally discover who you truly are in essence, the unimaginable burden of self-imposed suffering falls away as if it had never existed - and you are set free at last to live fully in service to the deeper life that brought you into existence and has always sustained you. You have once and for all consciously recognised the source of being, from which you have never been separate - yet you needed to know and acknowledge that for it to become real in your own experience. It is the sole reason why you needed to follow the path, but it would be a mistake to believe that this is the conclusion of your journey; it is but a new beginning of a deeper exploration into Truth, which is endless and immeasurable. To honour the noble task now set before you becomes your central resolve. It is a summons to Life.



Deep understanding regarding our true spiritual identity and proper appreciation of the nature of the greater Life to which we belong is everyone's birthright and is definitely not a distant attainment. As Bhagavan always stressed, our true nature is immediate and in plain view, but easily overlooked for all that and there are no short cuts to spiritual maturity. Truth is nowhere else but here and now, yet this direct understanding still needs to be claimed with care and diligence and nobody can predict when the realisation of essential Being may dawn for anyone.


Such an irrevocable turning-point in my own life came unexpectedly some six years ago, after I had already been earnestly committed to the spiritual quest for a period fully five times as long. One morning, quite unaccountably, I was vouchsafed a profound insight into the truly non-dual nature of my own being as conscious awareness. It was a clear view of Reality, which has never since deserted me and it has dispelled a dark shadow that had dogged my footsteps for almost as long as I could remember.


Pranam,
  Anil









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« Reply #3962 on: November 14, 2014, 10:33:38 AM »
Sage Sri Vasistha:

Janaka attained whatever he did by dint of his own enquiry. Similarly, one should pursue the enquiry into the nature of truth till one reaches the very limits of such enquiry.

Self-knowledge or knowledge of truth is not had by resorting to a guru nor by the study of scripture, nor by good works: it is attained only by means of enquiry inspired by the company of wise and holy men. One's inner light alone is the means, naught else. When this inner light is kept alive, it is not affected by the darkness of inertia.

Whatever sorrows there may be that seem to be difficult to overcome are easily crossed over with the help of the boat of wisdom (inner light). He who is devoid of this wisdom is bothered even by minor difficulties. The effort and the energy that are directed by the people in worldly activities should first be directed to the gaining of this wisdom. One should first destroy the dullness of wit which is the source of all sorrow and calamities and which is the seed for this huge tree of world-appearance.

Wisdom or the inner light is like legendary precious stone, O Rama, which bestows on its owner whatever he wishes to have. When one's intelligence and understanding are properly guided by this inner light, one reaches the other shore, if not, one is overcome by obstacles.

The great Sage continued:

O Rama, thus do enquire into the nature of the self, even as Janaka did. Neither god, nor rites and rituals (or any action) nor wealth nor relatives are of any use in this; to those who are afraid of the world-illusion only self-effort as self-enquiry is capable of bringing about self-knowledge. This ocean of world-appearance can be crossed only when you are firmly established in supreme wisdom, when you see the self with the self alone and when your intelligence is not diverted or coloured by sense-perceptions.

Thus have I narrated to you how king Jnanaka attained self-knowledge as if by an act of grace which caused the knowledge to drop from heaven, as it were. When the limited and conditioned 'I am so and so' ceases, there arises consciousness of the all-pervading infinite. Hence O Rama, like Janaka, you too abandon in your heart the false and fanciful notion of the ego-sense.

Source:Yoga Vasistha, translated by Swami Sri Venkatesnanda








Dear devotee,I purchased the above book in Sri Ramanasramam Book-depot during my last visit. I had been aware that the great Sage Sri Vasistha also taught Enquiry to Sri Rama. However, I had not been aware that the great Sage taught enquiry, with such emphasis and pointedly too, to attain Self-knowledge. Therefore, when I went through the wonderful book, I was a little happily surprised, and then it occurred to me that I should post a few passages, time again, from the same. Pranam, Anil.         
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« Reply #3963 on: November 14, 2014, 05:27:12 PM »
                        THE FEW

No argument can pierce the shuttered mind.
Let truth shine forth resplendent as the sun,
Still, crouched in their dark corner, will they find
Some guttering candle till life's day be done.
Even though we sang like angels in their ear
They would not hear.

Those only in whose heart some inkling dwells,
Grown over though it be, crushed down, denied,
Will greet the pealing of the golden bells
And welcome truth when all around deride.
Yet sight has laid a debt upon their will
Not all fulfil.

For even of those who see, only a few
Will have the intrepid wisdom to arise
And barter time's false values for the true,
Making their life a valiant enterprise
To vindicate their heritage long lost,
Nor count the cost.

And out of that so noble fellowship
Questing the Graal upon the mountain peaks,
Well is it if it meet the expectant lip
Of even one persistently who seeks.
Yet is this quest the glory and the goal
Of the awakened soul.

Sri Arthur Osborne, Mountain Path, Jan, 1964

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« Reply #3964 on: November 16, 2014, 10:05:23 AM »
Sri Bhagwan: The Quest, 'Who is he, to whom belong actions, separateness (from God), ignorance or separateness (from the Reality)?', is itself the yogas of action, of devotion, of right understanding and of mind control. That is the true state of the Self--the untainted and blissful Experience of one's own Self--where the seeker, the 'I' being extinct, these eight have no place. 
 
Dear Devotees,

Thus, the direct quest of the Self is fundamentally different from all other methods of winning the freedom. Is it not? All these other methods are generally known as yogas. However, the great Quest, as Sri Bhagwan Himself enjoined, is the Great Yoga--Mahayoga, because all other yogas are included in the Quest.

In Mahayoga, the practice consists in the withdrawal of the mind into the Self. It involves only the search for the Source of the ego.  So, objects are a source of hindrance. In other yogas, it is considered necessary to cultivate and acquire certain spiritual excellences as prerequisites. However, in Mahayoga, the sadhana itself, in its course, confers these excellences without having to cultivate them.

I corroborate a devotee's experience who wrote:  IN  MAHAYOGA  PRACTICE  UNFOLDS  THEORY,  WHEREAS  IN  OTHER  YOGAS,  THEORY  GUIDES  PRACTICE.

As practice of Mahayoga advances, our mind gets purer and purer progressively. Dear devotees, I have experienced that as mind gets pure, one is readily able to absorb all scriptural texts without doubt and reasoning. It is because sometimes knowledge contained  therein might have already been experienced by the devotee, and serves only to verify his experience. One acquires the spirit of involuntary surrender. It begins to dawn that nothing in the worldly plane is in one's hand and that everything is preordained. And that one is like a dry leaf blown hither and thither by the winds. Worldly loss and gain begin to count less and less.

Dear devotees, there should however be no doubt that we have come thus far due to Guru's Grace. AND  I  HAVE  NO  DOUBT  THAT  GRACE  IS  HAD  BY  THE  AMOUNT  OF  EFFORT  PUT  IN  AND  THE  EFFORT  WILL  NOT  BE  FORTHCOMING  WITHOUT  THE  GURU'S  GRACE.  This is rather a strange paradox, but all the same, we must assimilate this truth.

Dear devotees, have you not found that the quest over the time has eliminated the onrush of thoughts which in the early stages used to discourage you? Yes, there is a natural disinclination to  entertain any thought whatever. Moreover, one will be inclined to avoid company and argument because they create fresh vasanas which impede our concentration during practice. We go on shedding unethical practices and inclinations and acquire spiritual excellences. We need not not cultivate them, as prerequisite for sadhana. Why? Because we develop a habit and natural inclination to reject all thoughts whatever which are different from the Swarupa or the Self.

If we gain some sort of mastery over the concentration, the rest is easy. MIND  UNIMPEDED  BY  PREDISPOSITIONS   STRNTHENS  ITS  HOLD  ON  THE  HEART. And just as a person by frequent immersion in water is rid of the dirt of his body, similarly, mind by its frequent immersion in the Heart, in a thought-free state, sheds all its accretions and vasanas acquired in several births, and attends only to the Self which culminates in Realisation.


Thanks very much.
Pranam,
  Anil


Dear devotees, I am going to Kolkotta today to attend a Workshop on Hydrology Project, organised by Central Water Commission, New Delhi. I am scheduled to return on 20. 11. 14. Hence, I shall not be able to visit the forum and write anything for a while. However, I shall certainly return because I find Sri Bhagwan's inspired devotees here who are pursuing His Atma-vichara sincerely and earnestly. Thanks. Anil           

   



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« Reply #3965 on: November 16, 2014, 04:09:48 PM »
To Him Sri Bhagwan, dweller on the Holy Hill, replied, "The Glory of Sidhas is beyond imagination. They are equal to Siva. Indeed they are the very forms of Siva. They have the power to grant every prayer.'
Sri Ramana Gita, Ch. 18, V. 25&26


An ayurvedic-specialist-devotee of Bhagwan with His blessings went and settled in a hill resort. There he became the mathdhipati of his own ashram. He also obtained many sidhis; thus he was very popular. Reports about his yogic feats and attainments reached Bhagwan. Some devotees in the Ashram felt very proud of him. During the course of a pilgrimage one such group of devotees from the ashram visited this mathdhipati, who received them with affection. After a few days he wanted to show off to the devotees of Bhagwan. He told them that he had acquired great powers and that by willing he could produce anything from thin air. He waved his hands and a few gold coins were in his open palm!It was a real sidhi. However, what he said after that was very unpleasant for the devotees. 'See, I could produce these by just thinking of them. Can your Maharshi perform such sidhis?' Like a dart came the sharp reply, 'You have a mind which indulges in such sidhis. What to do? Our Bhagwan does not have a 'mind' to will anything!' The mathdhipati recognised his folly and prayed for Bhagwan's forgiveness.

The sage of Arunagiri's control over beings and things outside was unique and His control over indriyas and the mind (if He had any) was supreme. Bhagwan Ramana was always in Self-awareness, like King Rishabha, Suka and Jadabharta. His unwavering Self-abidance lent a supreme validity to His teaching and sanctity to His person, as the real Guru, the Lord God in flesh and blood. Hail the Holy Feet of Bhagwan Ramana!
Source: Purushottama Ramana   


AND  AS  SRI BHAGWAN TAUGHT AND  SRI  MUNI  SANG,  ABSOLUTE  SIDHA  THAT  HE  IS,  NOW   BODILESS,  HE  HAS  THE  POWER  TO  GRANT  EVERY  PRAYER  OF  HIS  DEVOTEES. HAIL  THE  HOLY  FEET  OF  BHAGWAN  SRI  RAMANA! 

Anil

 
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« Reply #3966 on: November 23, 2014, 10:37:05 AM »
Sri Bhagwan: The Guru is not outside as you seem to think. He is inside you and is in fact the Self. RECOGNISE  THIS  TRUTH.  SEEK  WITHIN  YOU AND  FIND  HIM  THERE.  Then you will have constant communion with Him. The message is always there, it is never silent. IT  CAN  NEVER  FORSAKE  YOU.  NOR  CAN  YOU  MOVE  AWAY  FROM  THE  GURU.



Dear Devotees,

Besides Sri Bhagwan's original Teachings, I have learnt a great deal from the insights, experiences and writings of great, old devotees of Sri Bhagwan, and I have endeavoured to post, under this thread, only those writings and experiences of the devotees, who moved closely with Sri Bhagwan, and which I felt from deep within, I was one with. 
I wish to quote below a few passages from the book 'Technique of Maha Yoga' authored by Sri Narayana Aiyer, the great devotees, who sat at the Lotus Feet of Sri Bhagwan, for several years and imbibed His Sublime Teachings:

Sri Aiyer:
Bhagwan Sri Ramana in Vichara-Sangraha (Self-enquiry) says that as a result of motiveless actions in dedication to God done in several previous births, mind getting purified, an aspirant meets his Guru, gets Upadesa (instructions) from him, and by long, intense and incessant practice gets liberation.
Sometimes, in the case of a few earnest aspirants some great souls suggest that they hold in their heart the use of any emblem such as a photo or a figure of their chosen Guru, and to start the practice as mentioned in their teachings with great faith and devotion. The story of Eklavya, the hunter, is cited as an instance.

Sri Aiyer writes:
In the various puranas and stories of saints it is said that when the aspirant is ripe God Arranges for him to meet a guru and even a casual word uttered by the guru is treasured and acted upon, which leads the aspirant to liberation.
When Sage Sri Thaumanavar was ripe, a teacher appeared before him and they were together for a short time. When up to the time of parting he was not given any instruction and was importuning him whie leaving, the Guru said, 'Keep quiet'. The disciple considered it as his upadesa and practiced 'keeping quiet', meaning mental quiescence. Anyone else would have taken the parting words as said in disgust to an importunate man; but in ripe Sri Thaumanavar, it acted differently and he took those words as real upadesa and practiced mental quiescence and became a great sage.
Again certain ripe souls having had the necessary upadesa in their previous birth and left their sadhana incomplete, start from where they left off and complete their sadhana without the aid of a personal Guru and obtain liberation.
Others again who in their previous lives have attained the maturity to look upon their Inner Self as their Guru and were getting their instructions therefrom  needed no outer guru and recognised their Inner Self as their Guru from the start. During their sadhana in the deep stillness of thought-free consciousness, the Inner Voice speaks and guides them. This also occurs in mature sadhakas when they lose personal contact with their Guru for any reason and they do not go about searching for a new Guru.






Dear devotees, I whole-heartedly agree with Sri Aiyer that when we look upon our Inner Self as our Guru, with Faith and conviction, we are certain to get instruction therefrom. I have no doubt whatever that when thoughts are few and far between, that is, only a few hovering harmlessly on the periphery of consciousness, INNER  VOICE  SPEAKS  AND  GUIDES. Indeed, when we progress in this sadhana of the Mahayoga (Self-enquiry), we inculcate the all-important habit of looking upon the Inner Self as the Real Guru. Our prayer, if any, is always directed to the Self within and we do not differentiate between God, Guru and the Self anymore.
Dear devotees, such is Sri Bhagwan's Grace that when I pray to Sri Bhagwan, I feel, and I at once become aware that I am really praying to my Inner Self, and Knowledge dawns that Sri Bhagwan indeed is not only my Guru, but the Inner Self. Yes, Sri Bhagwan's Enquiry enables us to understand that God and Guru are not different from our own Self, that He is verily the Self.

Pranam,
   Anil   
   
     


   
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« Reply #3967 on: November 23, 2014, 10:48:50 AM »
Dear devotees, He is inside us and is in  fact the Self. So, the Self being the real Guru, how can we ever move away from Him? No, we cannot. He is always with us, watching, guiding, nudging, giving unasked, and thus bestowing His munificent Grace on His loving and adoring devotees all the time!

Pranam,
   Anil
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« Reply #3968 on: November 29, 2014, 06:12:25 PM »
Sri V. Ganesan:

Princess Prabhavati Raje, immediately after her marriage, came with her husband to receive blessings from Bhagwan. She brought two beautiful rose garlands and along with her husband wanted to place them around the neck of Sri Bhagwan. Such things were strictly forbidden. Yet, out of her intense love, she persisted in her request and took the garlands to Bhagwan who was seated on the couch. Bhagwan, while refusing the garlands, suggested : "Place them in the Shrine of the Mother". Prabhavati was disappointed and, before leaving, deposited the garlands on the couch as she bent low to prostrate. She got up, took the garlands and left the hall, bitterly crying. After some time, Sri Kunju Swami by way of consolation showed her from a distance a remarkable sight. Bhagwan was picking, one by one, the petals that had dropped from the garlands on the couch and was slowly putting them into His mouth one after the other ! Said Kunju Swami to the Princess: "Look! How lucky you are! You were disappointed that Bhagwan did not accept the rose garlands, but now your roses have served as His food. Is not this real acceptance?" She was immediately pleased and her tears of anguish turned into tears of joy!   

Pranam,
  Anil
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« Reply #3969 on: November 29, 2014, 07:41:45 PM »
Anil,

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After some time, Sri Kunju Swami by way of consolation showed her from a distance a remarkable sight. Bhagwan was picking, one by one, the petals that had dropped from the garlands on the couch and was slowly putting them into His mouth one after the other ! Said Kunju Swami to the Princess: "Look! How lucky you are! You were disappointed that Bhagwan did not accept the rose garlands, but now your roses have served as His food. Is not this real acceptance?"

Wonderful episode!Sri Bhagavan was utterly simple and natural-so typical of him.He never gave any iota of a chance for the devotees to mistake that the body and the person associated was Bhagavan!At the same time he accepted the sentiments of devotees-in this case ,he suggested that the princess may place the garland at the shrine of the mother.At a physical level,he never wasted anything-he just ate the few Rose petals that had dropped from the garland or else they may have been possibly consigned to the dustbin by attendants!

The simple acts of jnanis are beautiful.How wonderful of sri Kunju swami to point it out to the devotee.

Namaskar.

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« Reply #3970 on: November 30, 2014, 06:57:55 AM »
Quote from Sri Ravi:
"At a physical level, he never wasted anything-he just ate the few Rose petals that had dropped from the garland or else they may have been possibly consigned to the dustbin by attendants!"


Dear Sri Ravi,

Ji. Yes, thanks very much, dear Sri Ravi bhai saheb, for a very insightful comment, on the beautiful episode which I quoted from a chapter titled 'Ambrosial Ramana', from a book named 'Moments Remembered', authored by Sri V. Ganesan. 
Ji, yes, at a physical level, it is well known that He never wasted anything and He just ate a few rose petals that had dropped from the garlands. He was once seen picking up a grain of rice from the ground for the children of Sri Arunachalal! On the other hand, however, in this simple act, I also discerned great love and deep solicitude of the Maha Guru for His devotees.

Dear Sri Ravi bhai saheb, when I read this wonderful episode, it at once flashed in my mind how Sri Bhagwan never allowed me to come to any harm and how He, without fail, stretched His hand whenever I was about to fall, and I could not control my tears! I know, His grace has taught me, that love is the essential part of all matter spiritual. Without love, what kind of spiritual life there will be?

Thanks once again, bhai saheb, for a beautiful post.
Pranam,
  Anil   

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« Reply #3971 on: November 30, 2014, 07:01:22 AM »
Anil/friends,
Here is an entry (no 33)from Sri annamalai swami's diary:

18.2.38: During the night a devotee asked Sri Bhagavan as to how long one should stay with the Guru. ' I read in the Sunday Times paper wherein Kanjangad Swami Ramdas had written that it is good for a disciple to stay away from the Guru after having  satsanga with him for a short while and knowing the means of Sadhana. Otherwise it will be akin to the stunted growth of a small tree growing in the shade of a big tree. I do not know whether this is right or wrong, Sri Bhagavan should clarify this. '
Sri Bhagavan pointed out the following verse from Kaivalya Navaneetham, ( chapter2, verse 2):

"The earnest seeker of knowledge
Should hold on to the Guru like a young monkey clings to its mother,
Right from the moment of reckoning of wrong identification with the body constituted of five elements
Till the moment of attainment of Nirguna vidheha mukti."

He further said:For the one who does Gurukulavasam(staying with the Guru) inseparably like the person and his shadow, always and forever- where is the question of his leaving it and going out? What does it mean to stay in it? For such a one all places are gurukula vasam only.


If we read this carefully,both Papa Ramdas and Sri Bhagavan are saying the same -that one should not mistake the person for the guru-that one should cling to the guru and not the person.Sri Bhagavan drives home the implication in Papa Ramadas saying.
Papa Speaks of the wrong clinging to the person -'tree and another small tree growing in its shadow' whereas Sri Bhagavan refers to the Right clinging -Clinging to the Self-inseparably like the person and his shadow.To such a one where is the question of leaving the Guru!
Sri Bhagavan dispels the notion of the devotee who thinks of the Guru as a person-with whom one can either live or stay away from.

Sri Sadhu Om swami (in your earlier post)is also saying the same thing,although as always(to me),in emphasizing one aspect,he underplays the importance of the 'external ' guru.I will post what Sri Bhagavan says on this aspect.

Namaskar.

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« Reply #3972 on: November 30, 2014, 07:36:39 AM »
Anil/friends,

Here is an entry(no 23) from Sri annamalai swami's diary:

My query: 'How is it that one can attain the abode of moksha only through Guru's grace?'
Sri Bhagavan's response: 'There is no such abode anywhere outside.It is within oneself only.Whoever has an earnest desire to attain Moksha is pulled in by the guru within.The external  guru pushes one within.This is guru's grace.'
As an example,Sri Bhagavan refers to the following verse from Kaivalya Navaneetham:

O Lord,abiding within  and having ruled  over countless births
O Embodiment of truth ,who manifested as Guru to instruct me-O Hail
This waif has nothing to offer in return for your help
In redeeming me and bestowing Freedom-O Hail.

Another entry (no 32) from Sri annamalai swami's diary:
Sri Bhagavan used to say that Advaita should not be practiced in outer activities( Kriya). It is sufficient if there is no differentiation in the mind. If one keeps cart loads of discriminating thoughts within one should not pretend that all is one on the outside. Westerners practise mixed marriages and eat on the same table with everyone. What is the use of doing just this? Only wars and battle fields are the legacy left behind. This world is a huge theatre. Each person has to act whatever role is assigned to him. It is the nature of the universe to be differentiated but there should be no differentiation within.
I was so moved by this saying of Sri Bhagavan that I requested Sri Bhagavan to summarise these ideas in Tamil verse. Sri Bhagavan, the Ocean of compassion composed a verse in Venba meter beginning with the lines, 'Always experience Advaita in the heart. ' I further requested that Sri Bhagavan should write this in his own hand in my diary.
Sri Bhagavan acceded to my request and graciously wrote the following Venba verse on 16.2.1938 :

O son, ever experience Advaita in the heart,
Never ever practise it in action
Advaita attitude may befit towards the three worlds
Yet the same is not proper towards the guru, know this.


Kakkinada Seshayyar , a devotee of Bhagavan, seeing the above verse wrote and gave me the following verse on 21.2.38 :

In response to a devotee who sought
the lotus feet of Ramana- the embodiment of Vedas
to know whether it is proper to practise Advaita in action,
He compassionately gave a gracious Venba - ponder thus!


Anil bhai,your devotion to Sri Bhagavan is exemplary and for one graced with such devotion,the guru's grace ever abides with him/her.This devotion itself is a manifestation of the guru's grace.
Namaskar.


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Re: Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is enough
« Reply #3973 on: November 30, 2014, 01:28:17 PM »
Quote from Sri Ravi:
"..wherein Kanjangad Swami Ramdas had written that it is good for a disciple to stay away from the Guru after having satsanga with him for a short while and knowing the means of Sadhana."

"He (Sri Bhagwan) further said: For the one who does Gurukulavasam(staying with the Guru) inseparably like the person and his shadow, always and forever- where is the question of his leaving it and going out? What does it mean to stay in it? For such a one all places are gurukula vasam only."
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Sri Ravi : "If we read this carefully, both Papa Ramdas and Sri Bhagavan are saying the same -that one should not mistake the person for the guru-that one should cling to the guru and not the person. Sri Bhagavan drives home the implication in Papa Ramadas saying.
Papa Speaks of the wrong clinging to the person -'tree and another small tree growing in its shadow' whereas Sri Bhagavan refers to the Right clinging -Clinging to the Self-inseparably like the person and his shadow.To such a one where is the question of leaving the Guru!
Sri Bhagavan dispels the notion of the devotee who thinks of the Guru as a person-with whom one can either live or stay away from."






Dear Sri Ravi,

Ji. Yes. If Papa Sri Ramdas wrote that it was good for a disciple to stay away from the Guru after having Satsanga for a short while and knowing the means of sadhana, it clearly implied that the disciple should not mistake the person, or the body in view, as the Guru, but realise the Guru as the Guru-Tattva in the heart within. Indeed, if the disciple does that, the question of leaving the Guru and going away cannot arise, for such a one all places are gurukulavasam as Sri Bhagwan Himself taught. I feel that Swami Sri Ramdas taught the same and He, like Sri Bhagwan Himself, didn't want His devotees to identify their Guru with the person or the body in view.  I deeply appreciate your penetrating insight and also feel that Swami Sri Ramadas also only meant that a disciple should live inseparably, always and forever, with the Guru and not the person because the person is transient. 

Dear Bhai saheb, this can also be understood from the fact that Sri Bhagwan Himself sternly asked Sri Annamalai Swami to stay away from Sri Ramansramam, after having profound Satsanga with the Guru for some time, so that Sri Annamalai Swami didn't mistake the person for His Real Guru, and instead realised the Guru-Tattva, and non-difference from His Guru, in his heart. And we all know that this is exactly what happened in the end.

As for the injunction:
  "O son, ever experience Advaita in the heart,
Never ever practise it in action
Advaita attitude may befit towards the three worlds
Yet the same is not proper towards the guru, know this.",

I wish to say that this is an important caution to the disciple which should be observed strictly. One should always reflect inwardly on the truth of Advaita, but should not seek to apply the teaching in one's actions. We must remember the power of the ego to pervert and frustrate even our sincere effort to realise the Truth. Hence, reflection on the truth of Non-duality and realising the Truth by dissolving the ego is all right, but action from the advaitic standpoint is counterproductive and even suicidal, because, in that case, enemy(who else, but the ego alone is our real enemy) would be in charge of such actions. This is why, I feel, this injunction was enjoined by Sri Bhagwan, which was taught originally by Sri Adi Shankara to His disciples as a caution. 


Thanks very much, Sir, for your invaluable and inspiring posts.
Pranam,
 Anil   

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Re: Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan is enough
« Reply #3974 on: November 30, 2014, 04:59:39 PM »
Quote from Sri Ravi:
"Sri Sadhu Om swami (in your earlier post)is also saying the same thing, although as always(to me),in emphasizing one aspect, he underplays the importance of the 'external ' guru. I will post what Sri Bhagavan says on this aspect."

Sri Bhagavan's response: 'There is no such abode anywhere outside. It is within oneself only. Whoever has an earnest desire to attain Moksha is pulled in by the guru within. The external guru pushes one within. This is guru's grace.'



Dear Sri Ravi,

There is no doubt in my mind that Sri Sadhu Om is also saying the same thing. I feel that when the great devotee, Sri Sadhu Om Swami observed that the external Guru was not necessary, he meant it for those devotees whose minds were already in-turned. Sri Bhagwan has taught that the external Guru pushes the minds of His devotees within, which are pulled by the Guru within and established at the Centre of our being by His Grace. However, as far as I am concerned, outer as well as inner Guru are one and the same, for Sri Bhagwan is none other than my own Self, and so is for everyone else. When I look at Sri Bhagwan, I feel deeply that Self alone is looking at the Self or the Atma. I feel that I do not experience anything other than 'myself'.

Thanks very much, dear Sir.
Pranam,
 Anil     

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