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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2010, 06:55:42 PM »
Thank you for your posts eranilkumarsinha,Subramanian.R.

I am just observing how discussing plays out and reveals some details not understood before. Consciousness has it ways.



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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2010, 09:33:06 AM »
 Bhagwan Sri Ramana told following story to Sri Muruganar about Sri Dakshinamurty, the Adi Guru, the Guru of all
 Gurus,the one who taught in Silence,the speechless speech.

 When the four aged Sanakadi rishis approached Sri Dakshinamurty , they after doing three pradakshinas around Him
 and prostrating to Him, started asking very shrewd and pertinent questions about the nature of Reality and the
 means of attainig It. As the Guru answered each consecutive questions , further doubts arose in their minds and
 they still asked further questions. Thus Sri Dakshinamurty continued to clear their doubts for a year.

 Finally, however, the Guru understood that if He gave more answers to their questions, more doubts would arise in
 their minds and hence there would be no end to their ignorance. Therefore, He merged Himself into the supreme
 Silence. Because of their great maturity due to year-long association with the Sadguru, as soon as Sri
 Dakshinamurty thus merged Himself, they too were automatically merged within, into Silence, the state of Self.

 Wonder-struck on hearing Sri Bhagwan narrating the story in this manner, Sri Muruganar remarked that in no
 books is it mentioned that Sri Dakshinamurty ever spoke anything. "But this is what actually happened" replied
 Sri Bhagwan.

 From the manner in which Sri Bhagwan narrated the story, Sri Muruganar understood that Sri Bhagwan was none
 other than Sri Dakshinamurty Himself.

                                         ( Source-The Silent Mind , Sri Ramanashamam Publication )

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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2010, 09:46:21 AM »
 Dear Devotees,

 Everything Sri Bhagwan said was for the benefit of His devotees. The manner in which Sri Bhagwan
 narrated the story of Sri Dakshinamurty ( Please see the above post ), contrary to common perception,has
 profound implication  for us all also.   

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2010, 05:29:14 PM »
 Dear Friends,

 Sri Arthur Osborne has dealt with the famous Descartes statement in a very, very beautiful poem.
 He has given the name 'Ergo Non Sum' to this poem. I remember that in Latin, this famous statement
 reads " Cogito Ergo Sum ".

                                                 ( Source- Be Still, It Is The Wind That Sings )

                  Ergo Non Sum

  " I think, therefore I am, " Descartes
    Was shrewd enough to say;
    Whereby unwittingly he showed the way
            How not to be.
        Let the mind be free
         From every thought,
      Yet conscious still, alert,
          And you will see:
 Awareness is- no one to be aware;
 Being remains, and yet you are not there. "

        How True ! Sri Descartes showed the world, unwittingly, unaware
        how not to be.

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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2010, 09:03:59 AM »
 Devotee : Will there be realization of the Self even while the world is there  ( taken as real ) ?
 Bh         : There will not be.
 Devotee :  Why ?
 Bh         : THe seer and the object seen are like the rope and the snake. Just as the knowledge of the rope which
                is the substratum will not arise unless the false knowledge of the illusory serpent goes, so the
                realization of the Self which is the substratum will not be gained unless the belief that the world is real
                is removed. 
                                           
                                                 ( From Who am I )

 Sri Bhagwan said that "I" rise on waking and with this 'I" rises every thing else. "I" sink during deep sleep
 and with this spurious "I" sinks every thing else.

    What is this I?
     Who am I ?
 I ask this question because I do not know that which I call "I".But If I do not know this very "I" in this very
 sentence who is writing ? Who is arguing ?Who is worried about his pleasures and pains, sorrow and joys ?
 Who wants to bask in achievements ? Who wants to make grand plans and for whom ? Answer to all these 
 questions is a complete stranger whose very existence is subjected to intense scrutiny by Self-enquiry.
 The very locus-standi of this little "I" stands challenged by Self-enquiry.

 Sustained attention then on this I-thought is the natural outcome of the Self-enquiry and is key to awareness.
 But our love for this troublesome and false "I" is still greater than the love for the unknown. And this love for
 "I" ensures that it is not put in danger terminally.

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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2010, 02:58:45 PM »
 Dear Devotees,

 As the great and enlightened sage-poet, Sri Muruganar declared, Sri Bhagwan is the only All Pervading Reality
 and is the Self of all that is.And we are all here because of His All Pervading Grace only.

 Sri Bhagwan often asked, " Is the Self in the books ?"
 He said that the Self is within the five sheaths and the Self-enquiry is the only unfailing means to penetrate to
 that Reality.

 If Self-enquiry is pursued with genuine and real doubt about the 'I'-identity, internalization of the mind is
 the natural consequence and is spontaneous.

 Unless the mind is internalized, Self-attention can not fructify.And Self-attention is both the key as well as
 the door to the 'Awareness' that is the Goal. Thus unwavering,sustained and vigilant attention is the
 watch-word.

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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2010, 09:38:42 AM »



Dear sinha and srkudai,

Bhagavan Ramana has written one poem called Atma Vidya Kirtanam.
Sri Bhagavan never had any intention to write this poem.  But
Muruganar on the basis of Gopala Krishna Bharati's poem [Nandanar
Charitram], where Bharati had written:  "Lo, it is very tough, it is
very tough to get Siva's darshan", had written the first two lines
of this poem:

Lo, very easy is Self Knowledge,
Lo, very easy indeed.....

Muruganar then left the paper with Bhagavan. Sri Bhagavan
Ramana did not do anything with that for some time, after
that, He wrote the remaining lines:

1. Even for the most infirm
   So real is the Self
   That compared with it the amlak
    In one's hand appears a mere illusion.

It runs thus to six stanzas.

Devotees asked many questions to Bhagavan Ramana.  You
have written, "Be still, and Bliss wells up; the Experience of
eternity; absence of all fear; the ocean vast of Bliss...." 

Bhagavan Ramana said:  You try.  Perseverance is the key word.

Then Muruganar pointed out the last stanza:

Annamalai the Self, the Eye
Behind the eye of mind which sees
The eye and all other senses
Which know the sky and other elements,
The Being which contains, reveals, percevies
The inner sky that shines within the Heart
When the mind free of thought turns inward
Annamalai appears as my own Self.
TRUE, GRACE IS NEEDED; LOVE IS ADDED
BLISS WELLS UP.

The last two lines are the key.  Regardless of the time taken
and the toughness of the inquiry and intermittent despair
of the sadhak, the most important thing in the whole effort
is Grace.  This Grace is called Chit-Sakti, the dance of pulsating
I,I,I, before the mind becomes totally quiescent without further
mischief. 

Sri Bhagavan has mentioned this Sakti in one of the five hymns.
I shall write about it later.



Arunachala Siva. 
     

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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2010, 10:27:53 AM »



Bhagavan Ramana mentions this Sakti in His Sri Arunachala Ashtakam,
Verse 6.  This Sakti is responsible for mind jumping out and having
a million thoughts.  The same Sakti directs the sadhak's mind
back to the Source and confers realization. 

Chitsakti chetana roopa
Jadasakti jadatmika

says Sri Lalita Sahasranamam.

Bhagavan Ramana says in Verse 6:

You alone exist, O Heart, the radiance of Awareness.  In You
a power mysterious dwells, a power without You is nothing.
From it [this power of manifestation] there proceeds, along with
a perceiver, a series of subtle shadowy whirl of prarabdha, appear
within as a shadowy spectacle of the world and appear without as
the world perceived by the five senses as a film projected through
a lens.  Whether perceived or unperceived, these [thoughts]
are nothing apart from You, O Hill of Grace.

Sri Devi Maahaatmyam, 11.8:

Sarvasya buddhi rupena janasya hrudhi samsthithe |
Swarga pavargathe devi narayanee namostuthe    ||

O Narayanee! O Devi!  You remain in the Heart of all Jivas,
as the power of buddhi.  You also confer heaven and liberation.
Prostrations to You. 



Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2010, 06:07:01 PM »
Your nature is vigilant.

By whom mind is able to try or is able to get tired? That alone is vigilant. That is You.

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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2010, 07:41:10 PM »
 Dear Sri Subramanian Ji

 Thank you for citing one of the most sublime and divine poems 'Atma Vidya Kirtanam' and  from Lalita
 Sahasranamam and Sri Devi Maahaatyamam and certainly enlightening us on 'Chit-Sakti'. To me, it is like
 showering of Sri Bhagwan's Grace , you as the medium. I feel that the poem and the verses cited in your
 above post contain implicitly the solution to the problem, as you also mentioned in your post, encountered by most
 of the  sincere devotees of Sri Bhagwan. I also sincerely hope that it may also provide solution to  the problem
 raised by dear Sri Udai Shanker Ji.

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« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2010, 07:52:20 PM »
 Dear Sri amiatal,

 Yours is a  very, very nice post. Our nature is vigilant, always in the 'now'.A very nice and simple
 way to remind us of the culprit, or the thief, as Sri Bhagwan referred to the ego. Thank you .
     

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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2010, 11:31:28 AM »
 Dear Sri Udai Shankar Ji,
                   Pranam,

 We are aware that we have three modes of manifestation as human beings namely being, thinking and doing.
 Sri Bhagwan said that merely to be is our duty as well as the goal. We also know , by the Grace of Sri
 Bhagwan that thinking and doing are played on the screen of our being , much like the picture reel is played on the
 cinema screen.Therefore, being is is the most fundamental and basic of the three. But we are so engrossed
 thinking and doing that our true nature as merely being is not revealed, although experienced all the time.

 Sri Bhagwan, out of compassion for the mankind,gave us the royal, royal Straight Path of Vichara or the
 Self-enquiry merely to be. He said that ' who am I ' question will kill all the thoughts at the very root, if practiced
 with perseverance in proper manner. He said  that  'who am I' neither  a verbal question to be  raised merely
 mechanically nor to be repeated like a mantra. Sri Bhagwan said that seeking the source of the central
 I-thought with keen intellect and abiding in the source constitute the Self-enquiry. Thoughts would naturally
 come but they are all to be killed one by one by the technique explained by Sri BHagwan.

 There is no doubt whatsoever in the efficacy of Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan.His so many devotees
 and their experiences are testimony of that only.Sri Bhagwan Himself has assured of success one day
 if Self-enquiry is practiced in the manner He taught. Internalization and the self attention will become
 gradually natural with perseverance.

 But Are we practicing the Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan ? If we raise 'who am I' question and at the 
 same time think myriad thoughts, it is certainly like beating the turtle om the wrong side as you mentioned.
 Who gets tired ?Who feels technique does not work ? I feel that this little 'i' should not be allowed to escape
 thus. When this little 'i' is subjected to intense enquiry, properly directed, it is bound to try to seek escape
 by such roots. Sri Bhagwan said our duty is to do this much and wait for the Guru's Grace to take over.

 And sa the great poet and devotee Sri Muruganar said, then the SElf-enquiry is more than hundred per cent
 sufficient.       

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« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2010, 04:07:12 PM »
 Dear Devotees,

 Total faith in one's chosen Marga is imperative for the
 success in a spiritual sadhana. How beautifully Sri
 Subramanian ji in his post has described, " This Sakti is
 responsible for jumping out and having a million thoughts,
 the same Sakti directs a sadhak's mind back to the Source
 and confers realization."

 And Grace and Love are the most vital elements in any
 sadhana. See Sri Subramanian ji's citation from 'Atma 
 Vidya Kirtanam':

 "When the mind free of thoughts turn inward
  Annamalai appears as my own Self.
  True, Grace is needed; Love is added
  Bliss well up."

 I do not find words to describe my feelings that wells up
 within my heart after reading the above stanza.


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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2010, 10:52:27 AM »
  Dear Sri Subramanian Ji,
              Pranam,

 Dear Sir, I wish to know whether the first two lines or the stanza
 you cited in your post,

 " Lo, very easy is Self Knowledge,
   Lo, very easy indeed .............."

 are the first two lines or is the first stanza of the poem
 ' Atma Vidya Kirtanam '.

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                                          Anil

 


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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2010, 11:17:43 AM »



Dear Anil,

Yes.  These are the first two lines of the Atma Vidya Kirtanam.
One Sri Gopalakrishna Bharatiyar who wrote Nandanar [one of the
63 Saiva Saints] as a play, started saying "Oh it is very tough!
It is very tough indeed, to have darshan of Chidambaram Nataraja."
This is because, Nandanar was an outcaste and an agricultural labourer and the landlord did not give him leave to go to Chidambram, to have darshan of Nataraja.  Further, he was an
outcaste and the priests [those days] would not allow him to have
access to the inner sanctorum of the temple. So he was singing
like that.  [He ultimately had Nataraja darshan and this is a different
story.].

Muruganar on the basis of these two lines, wrote Lo, "it is easy
this self knowledge, easy indeed."   He requested Bhagavan Ramana
to complete the kirtanam.  Bhagavan Ramana wrote the remaining
stanzas.



Arunachala Siva.