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What is Self Knowledge ?
« on: September 21, 2010, 06:11:43 PM »
Self Knowledge is "Recognizing" the Self.
This means, one recognizes oneself as SAT-CIT-ANANDA.
SAT : Existence.
CIT:Consciousness
ANANDA: Bliss / Completeness.

To Recognize this to be my true nature is Self Knowledge. Its purely of the mind. But its not mere "Logic". Its a "Perception".
What I mean by not mere Logical deduction but a "Perception" difference is this:

I am a king who took himself to be a beggar. now, someone may logically derive that he is the king. That creates confidence, but does not change his perception. his perception about himself is changed only when he actually lives it out, owns it up.
The logical deduction is important.
So also, its very important to teach how to own up this knowledge.

but until a person owns it up ... by perception change ... a cognitive change happens... until then, the person will not be able to live it up.

That is why people say "I understand but am not realized", meaning, the logic is clear, but a perception change has not happened. i still look at myself as body and not Consciousness.

Perception change takes time due to pratibandhakas. Pratibandhakas are obstacles. Various obstacles block the way... when the obstacles are blocked, the truth understood is truth lived. There is no difference. All sadhanas are for removing these prathibandhakas and all sadhanas become important after listening and understanding the truth clearly that I am SAT CIT ANANDA.

Hence Mukti is not understanding Truth, it is really Thinning of Vasanas. Even in places where the scriptures say that Mukthi is to know oneself ... this KNOWING is not mere logic ... but perception change. Perception change, is not due to an Experience as many people may make one believe. Perception change is due to removal of pratibandakas.
For the beggar ... his fears are all pratibandakas. he dropps them by living like the king and then he finally makes it.


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Re: What is Self Knowledge ?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 08:21:58 AM »


The knower of Brahman becomes Brahman.  Knowledge is and should
be, accompanied by realization.  The realization is experiential and
merely a mental process.  The illusion of name and form is destroyed
and the knower is no longer a victim of the false fear and false expectation, that plague at step of the life of unillumined person.

For the knower of the Truth, the seen, the seer, and seeing - all
merge in the indescribable experience of the Absolute.  The ordinary
consciousness of time and space is obliterated.  The fetters of causality are broken for ever.  This is the experience of Peace, Knowledge, and Reality that passseth all understanding

Sri Sankara describes this in verses 408-410 of Vivekachudamani.




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Re: What is Self Knowledge ?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2010, 10:42:25 AM »



With attention focussed on the first person and on the heart within,
one should relentlessly practice Who am I?  When this is done one-
pointedly, one's breathing will subside of itself.  During such continued and controlled practice, the might might suddenly spring up.  So, on has to vigilantly pursue the vichara, Who am I?

To remain silent without thoughts is the Whole;
To remain silent without thoughts is Nishta;
To remain silent without thoughts is Jnana;
To remain silent without thoughts is Moksha;
To remain silent without thoughts is Sahaja.


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Re: What is Self Knowledge ?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 11:20:22 AM »



Dear srkudai,

You are right.  In fact, I am not very successful in Who am I?
practice.  Instead, I switched over to Arunachala Siva..chanting
within my lips and it acts like a switch to put off the thoughts.
Annamalai Swami and Muruganar were also given such mantras
Siva Siva to gain control over thoughts.

Who am I? practice needs a lot of patience and one can reach
the complete cessation of thoughts only slowly. The mantra chanting
is also not a quick result producer.  It also needs patience and is a slow achievement.  Surrender along with mantra can help a lot.
Surrender is recommended by Bhagavan to Devaraja Mudaliar and
a few others.


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Re: What is Self Knowledge ?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 03:49:35 PM »
It is like a magnet- being applied on magnet- , instead of magnet+ applied to magnet-.

That's why it seems/appears that self-inquiry is quite hard and this 'i am' "state" is very slippery. But we need to try again and again until the magnet- turns around to magnet+ and is pulled firmly to magnet- which is always within.

One can chant a mantra to push away all the dust from magnet. The purpose should not be merely pushing the dust away,  but seeing and appreciating That by which mantra is being perceived. That is universal. That is You.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 12:25:40 AM »
True, I AM does not need to hold anywhere, but running mind does. The core essence to be grasped is That by which it is all possible, no matter whether one is not trying or trying, it is the same, since in either direction there must be an entity to move, but That never moves. And You are That.

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Re: What is Self Knowledge ?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 09:48:11 AM »



The Self is One without a second.  To what It can cling to?  From what
It can stay back?   The Self is not something that is either known or
not known.  The Self is Knowledge [Jnana] itself.  [Verse 33 of
ULLadu Narpadu].

Padamalai Verses:

1275:  True Jnana is only the removal of wrong knowledge.  Only
this can liberate you.

Verse 2294:  Jnana, the Self with which one should merge, is the
complete cessation of the addiction of the mind, towards the non-
Self.

Verse 1438:  There is nothing new to be attained.  That 'attainment'
is merely the Jnana Experience, free from ignorance.

Verse 2238:  From time immemorial you have been existing only as
That which you are struggling hard to know.

Verse 736:  Your job is to inquire into and know the Self that is an
'already prepared' state.  There is no reason for you to make an effort to prepare anything from scratch.

[Tr. David Godman]


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