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What is the preparation for Self Inquiry
« on: August 31, 2010, 08:53:36 AM »
Dear Friends,
        :) I was going through "Living By the Words of Bhagavan", where Annamalai Swami makes a very interesting comment:


pg 273, Living by the words of Bhagavan


Q: Many people find Self inquiry very difficult. Even most of bhagavan's devotees seem to follow a bhakti path. If one cannot do enquiry successfully, should one first purify the mind with japa ?

AS: No. If you have some interest in the path of self-enquiry you should follow it even if you feel that you are not very good at it. if you want to do self inquiry effectively and properly you should stick to that method alone. other methods may be good in their own right, but they are not good as preparations for self inquiry. if you are serious about becoming a good vilon player, you take lessons from a good teacher and practise as much as you can. If you encounter some difficulties you dont switch to the clarinet for a few months, you stay with your chosen instrument and keep practising till you get it right. the best preparation for self inquiry is self inquiry


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Re: What is the preparation for Self Inquiry
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2010, 09:21:17 AM »
If we are thirsty for truth we will find ways on how to prepare the mind for Self-inquiry.But are we thirsty for truth at all?
I feel majority of us are interested in the "information about the truth" rather than truth per se.
We are interested in concepts about the truth,scriptures about the truth rather than "being the truth".
Probably at the unconscious level we are all afraid to "be the truth" because it amounts to the death of the ego.
To be fed, there must be hunger. If you are hungry, you will find food. Are you hungry, or merely
greedy for the taste of some other food? If you are greedy, you will find that which will gratify; but it
will soon come to an end, and it will not be true food.
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Re: What is the preparation for Self Inquiry
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 09:36:45 AM »


Dear Dr. Raju, srkudai,

Muruganar says in his Guru Vachaka Kovai, in a slightly different
manner.

Verse 731:  Be aware that the two paths of Jnana and Bhakti are
inseparably related. Therefore, without separating one from the other
through the delusion that they are different, PRACTICE BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY AND HARMONIOUSLY IN YOUR HEART.

Verse 732:  If a person, desiring Siva's grace, investigates who is
the one who takes refuge in him, the unshakeable support, then
the ego [anava] will perish and become Sivam, the firmament of
Grace.  After the ego has died, having become a prey to Sivam, that
firmament of Grace, there will be no connection with any of the
defilements. [malas].

Bhagavan Ramana in Maharshi's Gospel:-

Question:  What is the relation between Jnana and bhakti?

Bhagavan:  The eternal, unbroken, natural state of abiding in the
Self is Jnana.  To abide in the Self you must love the Self.  Since
God is verily the Self, love of the Self is love of God and that is
bhakti.  Jnana and bhakti are thus one and the same.


Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: What is the preparation for Self Inquiry
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 10:12:03 AM »
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If we are thirsty for truth we will find ways on how to prepare the mind for Self-inquiry.

This is the main point. Are we thirsty for the truth?
People normally want information about the truth, but actually do not want the truth.
Mind likes neat compartmentalized information, but once the heart feels the distant call, those compartments of information no more appeals a person.

Sri Ramakrishna has said again and again:
How many of us really want God?

Without that yearning in the heart, no technique is of much help. No technique can take a person to God, it is yearning that takes a person to God. God does not require a person to learn different techniques to reach Him, because He is closest to our heart. He only wants a person to turn towards Him with yearning. A technique can only indirectly help to generate the yearning.
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Re: What is the preparation for Self Inquiry
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 10:42:55 AM »

Dear silentgreen,

Yes.  That yearning for God, as you mentioned, is bhakti, devotion.
This yearning at the highest level, takes one to surrender.  The surrender and Jnana vichara are both the same and they give the
same results.


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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 11:04:56 AM »
Vichara finally leads to complete surrender.(Poorna Saranagathi).
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2010, 11:09:10 AM »
 It is impossible for anybody to entertain any doubt about this `I' notion.I tell him to take up the thread or the clue of `I'-ness and follow it to its source.~Ramana Maharshi.
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Re: What is the preparation for Self Inquiry
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2010, 01:23:03 PM »


Dear Dr. Raju,

Yes. Self surrender and Jnana vichara are the two sides of the same
coin.  The surrender starts with ego and then loses it in God or the
Self.  The Jnana vichara starts questioning the ego, so that it may
run away. 

Guru Vachaka Kovai verse 289 says:

The light of Jnana is only in the Heart in which the behaviour of the
"I am the body" ego, which arises through ignorance, has been destroyed either by inquiry 'Who am I?' or through the melting of
the heart that arises from unceasing meditation in Lord's feet.

Repetitive sterile enquiry without love for the Self or God or Guru
will be of no avail.

Saint Manikkavchagar says in Tiruvachakam, Tiru Ammanai, Verse 4:-     

The devas in the heavens, including Vishnu, Brahma and Indra
Stood in the forests without food, and anthills grew up around them,
but still they could not see you.
You came to me on your own accord and purified this dog like
  a mother and made me melt inside with hairs standing straight,
O the honey, the nectar in all essence, O the Effulgence, who came
  from the Space,
Let us sing His anklet wearing feet, Ammanaai!

(* Ammanaai, is an address between girls, calling each other
  when they play together a game of marbles)

Sri Ramana Paravidyopanishad Verse 140 says:

Only two paths are laid down for the aspirant to deliverance, namely, for the valiant, the quest of one's own Self, and for the fearful,
self-surrender to God; and in these two all the other paths are included. 

This two-fold path has been taught by the most holy one Ramana,
thus, "Either seek the root of the ego sense, the "I" rising in respect to body, or surrender that ego sense to God for being destroyed by His Grace.


Arunachala Siva.