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Nagaraj

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Bhagavan & Muruganar
« on: August 14, 2010, 04:58:33 PM »
A disciple of a reputed Swami of South India, Vilakshananda, came to Bhagavan to have his darshan. With some hesitation he started telling Bhagavan about his guru's strict injunction that each one of his devotees should do so many thousands of japa daily and surrender the phala to the guru as their offering and that they were following it without fail.

Bhagavan smiled and observed: "Is it so? It is to be appreciated. So much gain for the guru with no strain on his part!" While Bhagavan was saying this, Muruganar entered the Old Hall. Turning to him Bhagavan said: "Do you know? His guru commands each one of his disciples to perform so many thousands of nama-japa and surrender the phala(merit) to him, as guru kanikkai (offering). After that will there be any balance for the disciples? It looks like one keeping the principal and surrendering the interest to the guru as offering. How do you appreciate this?"

Muruganar with tears in his eyes replied: "Bhagavan! Their guru is far better. He at least leaves the principal and demands only the interest. But this guru here (pointing to Bhagavan) is worse. He takes away the principal itself; then where is room for interest? He demands the devotees' mulam(principal) and vaddi(interest) all at once!" Bhagavan gave a benign smile enjoying the poet's joke with deep meaning!

What Muruganar meant was that Bhagavan wipes out the mind and the ego of his devotees.



Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

Subramanian.R

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Re: Bhagavan & Muruganar
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 09:42:11 AM »

Dear Nagaraj,

Yes.  The Guru should only instruct the disciple to be still.  Any other prescriptions for doing this and that are only showing Guru's unfit nature.  When a disciple is keeping still, then his ego [the capital] is taken away by the Guru. 

Muruganar says in Guru Vachaka Kovai:

Verse 271:-  The guru who instructs the disciple, who has taken
complete refuge in him, by giving one more prescription for action,
instead of directing him towards Jnana, and who leads him into
activities, saying, 'These should be done', is for the disciple [equivalent to] the coming of cruel Yama and Brahma.  Only he
who consummates them, transforming them into those who have done all that needs to be done, enabling them to attain the true
benefit of this birth, is the grace-bestowing, divine Guru.

Bhagavan Ramana also says this in Talks No.  601.

"Activity is creation; activity is the destruction of one's inherent
happiness.  If activity be advocated the adviser is not a master
but the killer.  Either the Creator [Brahma] or Death [Yama] may be said to have come in the guise of such a master.  He cannot liberate the aspirants but strengthens his fetters."

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Bhagavan & Muruganar
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 12:35:13 PM »
How wonderful...

Very very true

Muruganar says in Guru Vachaka Kovai:

Verse 271:-  The guru who instructs the disciple, who has taken complete refuge in him, by giving one more prescription for action, instead of directing him towards Jnana, and who leads him into activities, saying, 'These should be done', is for the disciple [equivalent to] the coming of cruel Yama and Brahma.  Only he who consummates them, transforming them into those who have done all that needs to be done, enabling them to attain the true
benefit of this birth, is the grace-bestowing, divine Guru.

Bhagavan Ramana also says this in Talks No.  601.

"Activity is creation; activity is the destruction of one's inherent happiness.  If activity be advocated the adviser is not a master but the killer.  Either the Creator [Brahma] or Death [Yama] may be said to have come in the guise of such a master.  He cannot liberate the aspirants but strengthens his fetters."

Usually, thats what happens, when some body is so very intense in quest for self, and when everything else looks so futile, worthless, and when one contemplates on leaving everything, then Bhagavan comes and asks the disciple to engage in the same actions, which precisely what the disciple would feel disgusting to continue doing the work! Bhagavan destroys the ego by its roots.

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta