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All pervading divinity, not just the body
« on: August 07, 2010, 11:49:05 AM »
One morning, a devotee was singing with great fervour 'Ramana sadguru, Ramana sadguru, Ramana sadguru rayane.' When Bhagavan also joined in the singing, the devotees were amused and began to laugh. Bhagavan then commented, "What is extraordinary about it? Why should on elimite Ramana to a form of six feet? Is it not the all-pervading divinity that you adore when you sing 'Ramana sadguru, Ramana sadguru?' Why should I not join in the singing?" We instantly felt ourselves in agreement with Bhagavan.

 _ Vishwanatha Swami (a distant relative of Sri Bhagavan)

Bhagavan keeps check our ego, every moment, even in moments of ecstasy as well, how nicely and humourously he makes us aware that He is not just the body Ramana, but Ramana is the all pervading divinity that we all adore.

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: All pervading divinity, not just the body
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2010, 01:12:17 PM »

Dear Nagaraj,

This song, Ramana Sadguru Rayane... is one of the five songs
of Sri Satyamangalam Venkataramana Iyer.  This Venkataramana
Iyer had met Bhagavan Ramana only once in Virupaksha Cave
and had stayed there for 4 days.  He sang 4 songs, Kalai Pattu,
[the morning song], Kummi Pattu, [hand clapping song of the young
girls], PonnoLir Pathu, [Decad on the golden effulgence] and Ponnai
Ottha Pathu [Decad on the gold-like Jnani].  He then went home
and never visited Bhagavan Ramana for the next 50 plus years
at all.  After reaching home, he sent his 5th song, which is Ramana
Satguru Rayane... This consists of 25 verses with refrain of
Ramana Satguru Rayane... after completion of each verse.

The songs of Sri Satyamangalam Venkataramana Iyer, are the only songs [other than Bhagavan's own songs] that are sung in the
weekly evening Tamil parayana in the Asramam.  These five songs are sung on Saturday evenings. 

Brahmasri Nochur Venkataraman says:  This Venkataramana Iyer
was Arunachala Himself.  "Arunachaleswara found this boy simply
keeping quiet and enjoying the bliss of the Self.  I shall make Him
sing some songs so that His teachings would be made known to the world. For that I shall go and sing some songs on Him."

Thus the songs were composed by Iyer sometime in 1910-11
after which only Bhagavan Ramana composed His Sri Arunachala
Akshara Mana Maalai and the other songs of Sri Arunachala Stuti
Panchakam.  The five songs of Sri Iyer is called Sri Ramana Stuti
Panchakam. 



Arunachala Siva.

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Re: All pervading divinity, not just the body
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2010, 02:49:23 PM »


Dear Nagaraj,

A somewhat similar situation was there, when a devotee named
Amritanatha Yati wrote on paper a Malayalam verse imploring
Bhagavan to say whether he was Hari [Vishnu] or Sivaguru [Subrahmanya] or Yativara [Siva] or Vararuchi, [the great physician
who was in the court of King Vikramaditya].  Bhagavan wrote his
reply in the same Malayalam metre on the same paper.  A translation of it is given below:-

In the recesses of the lotus-shaped Hearts of all, beginning with
Vishnu, there shines as pure intellect [Absolute Consciousness] the Paramatman, who is the same as Arunachala Ramana.  When the mind melts of Him and reaches the inmost recess of the Heart
wherein He dwells as the beloved, the subtle eye of pure intellect
opens and He reveals Himself as Pure Consciousness.



Arunachala Siva. 

Subramanian.R

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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2010, 03:00:27 PM »

A somewhat similar anecdote:

Once there was a devotee, who when someone addresses Bhagavan
as " Ramana", he will slap that visitor or devotee!  Once it happened in the Hall.  The devotee did not know why this unexpected punishment for him.  Someone clarified to him:  Everyone addresses Bhagavan Ramana only as "Bhagavan!" and not as "Ramana!" The devotee understood his fault and did not feel bad for the punishment.

There is one more anecdote:

In Verse 90 of Sri Arunachala Akshara Mana Maalai reads:

You being Ramanan, I said all this.  Do not be offended. Instead
come to me and make me happy, O Arunachala!

Ramanan enru uraithen rosham koLathu enai
ramithida seivyai arunachala!

In this verse the word Ramanan occurs.  Some devotees would sing this line in Tamizh with the substitution Ramanar.  In Tamizh the
"an" suffix means singular. The "ar" suffix means plural, with respect.  E.g. Murugan and Muruganar.  Thinking that Bhagavan
Ramana should be addressed in plural, they would change and sing.  Bhagavan Ramana observed this one day and asked:  Why
all this?  What is wrong in saying Ramanan.  So you will call Sivan
also as Sivar!  Sivan is called only as Sivan there is no Sivar in usage.  Bhagavan Ramana gave this apt example and told them to sing as it is in the song.



Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2010, 03:09:43 PM »
Dear I,

You are correct, in Letters from Ramanashramam, a prelude to this is recorded by Suri Nagamma -

On the 7th (January 1947) of this month Dr. T. N. Krishnaswamy, a devotee of Bhagavan, celebrated the Jayanthi of Sri Ramana in Madras. It seems a Pandit mentioned in the course of his lecture on the occasion that there was a reference somewhere that Bhattapada would be born in Thiruchuli as Ramana. While the devotees in the Ashram were searching for these references, Bhagavan himself said, “Nayana (Kavyakantha Ganapati Muni) said that Skanda (Lord Subramanya) was born first as Bhattapada, then as Sambandha (Thirujnanasambandhar), and in the third birth as Ramana. The appellation, ‘dravida sisuhu’ used by Sri Sankara in Soundarya Lahari refers to Sambandha, doesn’t it? Therefore Sambandha must have existed prior to Bhattapada who was a contemporary of Sankara. Nayana said that Sambandha was of a later date than Bhattapada. One is not consistent with the other. Which of the above versions is the authority for the aforesaid lecturer’s statement is not yet known.”

Surprised at these words which were meant to throw everyone off guard, I said, “Why so much discussion about it? We may ask Bhagavan himself. Doesn’t Bhagavan know who He is? Even if He does not tell us now there is His own reply to the song asking, ‘Who is Ramana?’ written by Amritanatha Yatindra while Bhagavan was dwelling on the Hill.” Bhagavan replied, “Yes, yes!” with the smile of approval on His face, waited for a while, and then said, “Amritanatha is a peculiar person. He is very interested in all matters. When I was on the Hill he used to come now and then and stay with me. One day I went somewhere. By the time I returned he had composed a verse in Malayalam, asking “Who is Ramana?” left it there and went out. I wondered what was written on the paper, so I looked at it and found out. By the time he returned I composed another verse in reply, in Malayalam, wrote it down below his verse and put the paper back. He likes to attribute supernatural powers to me. He did so when he wrote my biography in Malayalam. Nayana had it read out to him, and after hearing it, tore it off, saying, “Enough! enough!’ That was the reason for his posing this question also. He wanted to attribute some supernatural powers to me, as ‘Hari’ or ‘Yathi’ or ‘Vararuchi’ or ‘Isa Guru’. I replied in the manner stated in the verse. What could they do? They could not answer. A Telugu translation of those verses is available, isn’t it?”

“Yes, it is. Isn’t Bhagavan’s own version enough for us to establish that Bhagavan is Paramatma Himself?” I said. Bhagavan smiled, and lapsed into mouna (silence). I give below the prose translation of those Malayalam verses given in Ramana Leela:

Amritanatha’s question: “Who is this Ramana in the Arunachala Cave, who is renowned as the treasure of compassion? Is he Vararuchi or Isa Guru? or Hari? or Yatindra? I am desirous of knowing the Guru’s Mahima (supernatural powers).”

Bhagavan’s reply: “Arunachala Ramana is the Paramatma Himself who plays about as Consciousness in the hearts of all living beings, from Hari downwards. He is the Supreme Being. It will be clear to you if you open the eye of jnana and see the truth.”

Salutations to Sri Ramana

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: All pervading divinity, not just the body
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2010, 03:26:10 PM »
Dear I,

In this verse the word Ramanan occurs.  Some devotees would sing this line in Tamizh with the substitution Ramanar.  In Tamizh the
"an" suffix means singular. The "ar" suffix means plural, with respect.  E.g. Murugan and Muruganar.  Thinking that Bhagavan
Ramana should be addressed in plural, they would change and sing.  Bhagavan Ramana observed this one day and asked:  Why
all this?  What is wrong in saying Ramanan.  So you will call Sivan
also as Sivar!  Sivan is called only as Sivan there is no Sivar in usage.  Bhagavan Ramana gave this apt example and told them to sing as it is in the song.

Interesting post. I like the name "Ramana" very much, the very word itself creates some kind of divinity, perhaps a small remineder of Self. I always address to my relatives or friends, Bhagavan as "Ramanar". The tradition of calling Gods as though they are small child has been existing since time immemorial (Shaama Sastri has sung on Bangaru Kamakshi ambal as a small child) but, usually, a Guru, all throughout all yugas has been addressed with utmost due care and respect. But Bhagavan Ramana is different i feel, He Himself is God, Guru and Self. Somehow, i am unable to address Him as just 'Ramana' or 'Ramanan', though i don't see any wrong in it. I would still prefer addressing Him as Ramanar to others. However, if i were to see him physically today, get an opportunity to talk to him... i don't know what i would address him as.. i address my veda vadyar as Gurugalu (in kannada, as 'Gurukkal' in Tamzh) whenever i visit Sringeri, i address His Holiness as 'Periyava' which definitely strikes Bhakti Bhaavam, perhaps it began during the times of His Holiness Sri Chandrashekhara Saraswathi Swamigal. I think i would stick to addressing Ramanar as 'Bhagavan' like everybody, if i were to talk to him directly (atleast i hope i get a dream  :) )

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2010, 03:28:16 PM »
and perhaps when i do get to see Him and get an opportunity to talk to Him, i may even not have so much time to think, plan and decide how i have to address Him   :)

i just wait one day to get such a dream and see it for myself  :)
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta