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srkudai

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Yoga Vasishta
« on: July 26, 2010, 07:06:08 PM »
Welcome to Yoga Vasishta thread!
Yoga Vasishtam consists of Vasishta's teachings to Sri Rama.
The aim of this thread is to spend some time with this wonderful Prakarana Grantha. Prakarana Grantha means, a text that explains or summarizes the teachings of Upanishads. Since Vasishta explains and illustrates the Truth to Rama, this can be called a Prakarana Grantha.
The speciality of this text is that it contains various stories which are essentially illustrations of how the Truth can be lived out. The teaching is presented and some stories are told so that one is able to appreciate the teaching and make it real to oneself.

A (so called) teacher telling "Atma does not die" is not really teaching anything. Coz what is "Atma?" . In sanskrit Atma "me", "I do not die", how? Whether this statement is "True" or "False" is secondary. One needs to atleast understand what it means. The meaning is not presented at all. That is not the proper way to present.

Similarly when someone asks "Is there a God?" , its not a very meaningful statement. Coz, long before we understand whether God exists or not, we should know  what the word God means!

Yoga Vasishta teaches the Truth with examples and just by studying it meditating upon the teachings one can be liberated! That is the claim! All we need to do is just remain available for the teachings. We should be unprejudiced and available for the teachings to have their effect.




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Re: Yoga Vasishta
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2010, 12:06:10 AM »
excellent explanation udai garu.

In telugu there is a proverb "Gurrani cheruvu daka teesuku vellagalam kani neeru taginchelemu" means we can make horse to come near lake but we cannot make it drink water.

So sraddha of the disciple is very much required.

Lord's Rama sraddha is perfect and hence he could have such a great guru like Sage Vasishta.

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2010, 06:36:26 AM »

Dear srkudai,

Yes.  Only one who feels that he is bound and needs liberated -
is qualified to go to a competent Guru.  If a person is totally
ignorant and is ever feeling bound and miserable, he can get
no benefit even if he goes to a Guru.  For a person, who feels that
he is the Atma, "I-I", ever free and eternal, also needs no Guru.

Only the middlings are the true disciples and are sure to get a competent Guru.  I know a person who has been telling me for the
past several years that he WILL not understand books like Who am I?  He shall never attempt to know the Truth.  At the same time,
I know a person who says that Who am I? alone is enough for
his deliverance [see the story of a blind Muslim boy who came to
meet Bhagavan Ramana from Lahore], does not need a guru.  Only
those who read Who am I? and ponders "What is stated here by
Bhagavan?  Why jnanendriyas, karmendriyas, manas, vasanas are
not "I"?"  will start thinking and vigorously search for a Guru.

Bhagavan Ramana has said "All sadhanas are only for mumukshus
and not for ajnanis or Jnanis."



Arunachala Siva.
Arunachala Siva.

   

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 02:50:21 PM »
 Dear Subramanian ji,
            Pranam

 You have very nicely elaborated upon the competence of a mumukshu.
 Reminding us of Shri Bhagwan's Saying on this gladdened the heart.
 Thank you, Sir.

                     Anil     



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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 04:19:34 PM »

Not only normal human beings  but even avataras [god-incarnated beings] have to go to Guru for a formal learning.  Sri Rama went to Sage Vasishta and Sri Krishna went to Sandeepani.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 05:59:43 PM »
Dear Udai ji,


After realization Bhagavan came to Arunachala. He never wanted to be a guru but it is Arunachala's grace He
called Bhagavan so that many people could get jnana. Now it became another sandeepany for atma jnanis.



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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 09:34:29 AM »

Dear srkudai, Ramanaduli and others,


Yes.  Bhagavan Ramana has said on some occasions, small desires
shall not produce vasanas.

Muruganar says in Guru Vachaka Kovai:

Verse 912: It is only the collection of vasanas present in the Heart
that truly deserves to be despised and discarded.  Those who possess the distinction that derives from getting the deceitful mind
to subside will bear no taint, whatever company they keep.

Muruganar adds here: Only the collection of vasanas present in the
Heart deserves to be despised and discarded by the wise as an
association that constitutes the obstacle to Self-abidance.  If a
person initially remains in solitude, patiently practicing self abidance, and consequently gets the mind to subside completely,
then, in whatever environment that person who possesses the eminence of a vasana-free mind may happen to live on account of his prarabdha, no blemish will accrue to him. 

Unless the vasanas, the inner attachments, are already present,
the outer attachments cannot pull the mind, making it wander here and there, preventing  it from getting established in Self abidance.
Therefore, those who possess the greatness of a stilled mind do not incur any blemish, irrespective of whatever environment they
may reside in.  The implication is:  Only inner attachment is truly
attachment; outer attachment is not the problem.


Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 10:49:12 AM »


Mithya means seemingly real or unreal.  The world and the suns and stars and galaxies have no iruppu [existence] of their own.  Their
existence "appears to be there", when some one is seeing them.
Like the snake is there only when one sees it as snake.

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 04:45:28 PM »
When we SEE god also Mithya. Only seer is real?



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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2010, 10:52:59 AM »

Dear ramanaduli,

If we see God, it is mithya.  If we attain and become God, it is nitya.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2010, 11:40:38 AM »
Like Bhagavan says somewhere, to one who asked Him "I do not know how to worship, kindly enlighten me as to what is worship" Bhagavan replied, "is there a worshiped and worshiper? first find out the worshiper, that itself is worship and then everything will be clear"

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 10:36:37 AM »

Dear srkudai,

Yes.  Everything is due to Ahamkara and vasanas.  Actions performed
with attachment and a sense of doership is a binding shackle.  Even
reading of scriptural sayings without practice is a shackle.  But
actions performed without attachment and desire and fruits thereof
will not bind the doer of such actions.  A Jivan Mukta, who ever stands apart, never swerves from his state even as he performs the actions.  If some acts get accomplished through Jivan Muktas, it means - they being egoless - it is but the grace of Lord dwelling within that performs such deeds.  However much a Jnani might talk, he is still the 'silent' one.  However much, he might work,
he is still the 'quiet' one.  Because the ego is absent there.

Bhagavan Ramana says in some other context, that one who simply reads scriptures and repeats it is like the gramaphone
recorder.  Nothing goes inside.  He is only prattling and not practicing.     

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2010, 10:55:25 AM »

Dear srkudai,

Yes.  Great seers are those who have completely destroyed the bondage of karma by extinguishing the real bondage of mind, the
home of all vasanas.  

Bhagavan Ramana says in ULLadu Narpadu, Anubandham, Verse
30:  Even as one whose mind has wandered away while listening
to a story told here, a mind whose impressions have been totally
destroyed, does not act though it seems to act.  But a mind filled
with vasanas, works even while doing nothing.  This is like someone who, though lying motionless in bed here, climbs a cliff
in a dream and tumbles down into a pit.

Vasanas and not the body, are the cause of bondage.  If the
mind is freed of attachment, there is no bondage, though the
body may act.  It is but like the motion of turning in bed by one
who is asleep.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2010, 01:21:01 PM »
yes vasanas/ego/ahankara are the culrpit and hence we need to eradicate as far as possible.

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Small desires such as the desire to eat, drink and sleep and attend to calls of nature, though these may also be classed among desires, you can safely satisfy. They will not implant vasanas in your mind, necessitating further birth. Those activities are just necessary to carry on life and are not likely to develop or leave behind vasanas or tendencies. As a general rule, therefore, there is no harm in satisfying a desire where the satisfaction will not lead to further desires by creating vasanas in the mind. (Day by Day with Bhagavan, 12th April, 1946)

Sway of raga-dwesha is dangerous and we should remember it.

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Mind is a burden for one who has no peace.
Even the body is a burden for the one who does not know the Self.

This is excellent quote udai garu.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2010, 04:14:35 PM »


There is a verse in ULLadu Narpadu, Anubandham, [Verse 12],
where Bhagavan Ramana says:

Cast off the notion, 'This vile flesh am I', and seek the ceaseless
bliss of the Self.  To seek the Self while cherishing this perishing
flesh is like trying to cross a stream by clinging to a crocodile.

This verse also reflects the verse mentioned by srkudai from
Yoga Vasishtam.


Arunachala Siva.