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True Bhakthi
« on: June 23, 2010, 04:12:59 PM »
What is true bhakthi? Does it come on its own? Or we should cultivate? Does it come like a samskara?
For some people it is like a passion. If so is it good? Then it would not be a true bhakthi?  Does true bhakthi expect any thing like to mingle with God?


(All from the mind come up.... )


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Re: True Bhakthi
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2010, 09:31:39 AM »

Dear Ramanaduli,

No doubt samskara plays a part.  But the efforts are also necessary.
Bhagavan Ramana tells M. Sivaprakasam Pillai:

The one who sacrifices himself to the Swarupam inside and remains
ever as Atma Nishtaparan is a true bhakata.  The problem is our lack of efforts towards sacrificing our ego to the Swarupam within.

Sirthuondar and Kannappar only displayed this highest bhakti.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: True Bhakthi
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 05:01:00 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli, You have beautiful teaching of Ramana Maharshi on bhakti: http://www.hinduism.co.za/bhaktisur.htm

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Re: True Bhakthi
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 05:11:16 PM »
Dear Jewell ji

Thank you very much for sending the link.



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Re: True Bhakthi
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2010, 06:52:14 PM »

Dear Ramanaduli,

In the same Who am I?, Bhagavan tells M. Sivaprakasam Pillai:

" Whatever burdens are thrown on God, He bears them.  Since
the supreme power of God makes all things move, why should we,
without submitting ourselves to it, constantly worry with thoughts
as to what should be done and how and what should not be done
and how not?  We know that the train carries all loads, so after
getting on it, why should we carry our small luggage on our head,
to our discomfort, instead of putting it down in the train and feeling at ease?"

This attitude is true bhakti.  ELLAM AVAN SEYAL.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 09:13:24 PM »
Dear Subramaniyan ji,

Yes. We should have full surrender and faith on God. It may be lots of vasanas, and expecting always good result.
At starting point first we surrender and put all the things on train and sit. Some times the train meet an accident and only our compartment will get derailed. It is hard to accept our destiny. All philosophy, atma vicharam will drown for some times. It is like snake and ladder game. That shows there is lack of true bhakti and surrender.
To have such type of bhakti, we need His grace.


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Re: True Bhakthi
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 09:59:44 AM »

Dear Ramanaduli,

Bhagavan Ramana has said:  Grace is always there.  There is no
niggardliness in Grace.  But you should have no niggardliness in
the vessel that you bring.  The vessel means devotion.  Our devotion should be large enough [or intense enough] to obtain the full
Grace.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: True Bhakthi
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 05:04:12 PM »

Dear Ramanaduli,

You posted a topic about True Bhakti on 5th July 2010.  Replies
were given by some members including me. 

I think True Bhakti is that immense devotion to the point of being
called a mad man.  Sri Ramakrishna went to the extent of cutting
his throat till Kali appeared before him.  This is one example of true
bhakti.  In Periya Puranam, we see a number of such cases of
true bhakti. 

1. One saint went to the extent of giving his wife to the old
brahmin who came and asked for a woman.  He was none other
than Siva in guise.  This saint not only asked his wife to go with
the brahmin but also accompanied the pair till the town boundaries, so that the townsmen would not harm them!

2.  Another saint gave his son in the form of a cooked flesh
to the Bairagi who wanted human meat for food.

3.  Another one, rubbed his elbow on the sandal-stone, to make
sandal paste, [since there was no sandal wood stock] to apply
on the Siva Lingam.

4.  Another one started burning his long hair as deepa since there
was no oil and wick and he could not buy.

5.  Kannappa gave his eyes when he found Siva bleeding.

There are a number of such cases in Sri Bhakta Vijayam also.

Bhagavan Ramana says in Sri AAMM Verse 66:

You made me give up craze for the world, and made me crazy
for You.  O Arunachala, now give me a medicine to cure every
kind of mind madness.

All great saints are God-intoxicated.  They are mad with the love
towards God.     



Arunachala Siva.

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Re: True Bhakthi
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2010, 05:18:03 PM »
Dear Subramaniyan ji

After seeing them, I do not have a right to say that I am a devotee. I think it is better to ask God to grant
true bhakti first from bottom of my heart.


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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2010, 05:52:11 PM »

Dear Ramanaduli,


The story of VallaLa Maharaja who ruled Tiruvannamalai are is
shockingly beautiful.

VallaLa Maharaja and his wife Sallamma Devi were both Siva
devotees, doing pujas to Arunachaleswara and Apeetakuchambal.
They had no issues.  This was the main sorrow.  Siva wanted to
test them. 

One evening, Siva in disguise of an old Bhairagi [from North India]
came to the king and told him that he would stay for one night
in the palace for rest.  The king and the queen invited him and
placed him a special room and ordered for nice food.  Then
the Bhairagi said the king:  I am having sexual union once in
a year with a woman. [This is allowed among Kashmiri Bhairagis].
Please find one harlot for me from the town.  The king first served
him dinner and in the meantime, sent word for a beautiful woman.
It was Siva's trick that all such women were busy with customers
and the ministers sent for the purpose came without any one.
Then the King decided to give his wife, Sallamma Devi.  She also
agreed. After dinner, Sallamma Devi went into the special room
with all adornment.  She found the Bhairagi resting on the royal
bed.  As she approached him and was about to embrace him the
Bhairagi became a child and remained on the queen's extended hands!  The queen came out with the child and told the king the
story.  Both were perplexed.  Suddenly, the child disappeared and they found Arunachaleswara-Apeetakuchambal there. They said:
Do not worry for want of a child.  This is your prarabdha.  But I shall officiate as your child and do all the ceremonies after your passing away. 

The king and the queen were speechless.  They ruled the kingdom with more bhakti and dharma and after they passed away, the kingdom was taken over by his trusted minister who continued
the tradition.  Even today, Arunachaleswara from the Temple comes out to a place and does annual ceremonies for the king
and the queen.

A true devotion is almost madness of a sort.

Sri Arunachala Padigam Verse 8 says:

....O Supreme Being, embodied in Aruna Hill and shining in
the world as the cure for madness, grant me, mad and worthless,
the sovereign medicine of clinging to your feet.

Arunachala Siva.