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Joey_

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Is Aham-Vritti same as Sri Nisargadatta's 'sense 'I am'
« on: June 02, 2010, 03:03:56 PM »
I'm already pretty sure about this, but wanted to get your assurance. So is the 'I'-thought same as sense 'I am' that Nisargadatta talks about.


E: I put this accidentaly here, it should be in "General topics".

Subramanian.R

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Re: Is Aham-Vritti same as Sri Nisargadatta's 'sense 'I am'
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 03:12:37 PM »

Dear Joey,

I have not read much of Nisargadatta Maharaj.  I have read only
Bhagavan Ramana's works and Brahmasri Nochur Venkataraman's
discourses on Bhagavan Ramana.  What I understand is:

Aham vritti  =  "I" thoughts, which happen to all of us in waking states.

Aham sphurti = the abidance in the Self temporarily, something
like a glimpse of the Self, very occasionally.  It is the simple touch
of the Self in you.  It is not permanent.

Aham Sphurana = is the uninturrupted abidance in the Self, where
there are no vrittis, manifestations of the mind.  This is an irrevocable state.  Unlike Aham sphurti, it does not stay for a
short time and then the mind jumps out from within.   This is also
called Atma Nishtai, by Bhagavan Ramana.

If Nisargadutta had said that Aham Vritti is I am, if your quoting
of him is correct, then it is not what Bhagavan had meant. 

Arunachala Siva.   

Subramanian.R

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Re: Is Aham-Vritti same as Sri Nisargadatta's 'sense 'I am'
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 03:14:40 PM »

Dear Joey,

Or, you can say, "the I am ness" temporarily is Aham Sphurti.
The permanent state of "the I am ness" is Aham Sphurana.
Aham vritti is only the I thought.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Is Aham-Vritti same as Sri Nisargadatta's 'sense 'I am'
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 03:40:37 PM »
Dear Subramanian, i thought that aham vritti ('I'-thought/first mental mode) meant the thinker or the ego.


and Nisargadatta never mentioned aham-vritti (i believe)

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Re: Is Aham-Vritti same as Sri Nisargadatta's 'sense 'I am'
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 06:27:50 PM »
Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras say:

Yogah Chitta Vritti Nirodhah

(mastering) the (art) of Vritti Nirodhah - Stopping the movements - (of thoughts, thinking) and attain perfect Samadhi our Natural State.

Which is what Sri Ramana says - the source or the root of all thoughts is I. The root of all sorts of Vrittis will be found whre 'I' springs from. Vrittis are nothing by 'I' ego.

Salutations to Sri Ramana
« Last Edit: June 02, 2010, 06:30:59 PM by Nagaraj »
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
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