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Ramana Maharshi Confirms "Bhramarakita Nyaya" Belief
« on: May 28, 2010, 01:52:23 PM »
Meanings of few technical terms in the article

grub - A soft thick wormlike larva of certain beetles and other insects

hives - A structure that provides a natural habitation for bees; as in a hollow tree

wasp - Insects having two pairs of membranous(similar) wings and an ovipositor(organ) specialized for stinging(biting) or piercing

offal - Viscera and trimmings of a butchered animal often considered inedible by humans


Talk 592.

The Punjabi gentleman referred to the popular belief of a worm being metamorphosed to a wasp (bhramarakita nyaya) which Sri Bhagavan had mentioned to the ladies in the course of conversation yesterday.

Sri Bhagavan recalled some interesting reminiscences:

“I had previously heard of this bhramarakita nyaya. After I came to Tiruvannamalai, when I was staying in Gurumoortham, I noticed a red wasp construct a hive in which it placed five or six grubs and then flew away. My curiosity was roused and I wanted to test the truth of the oftquoted nyaya. I waited some days, maybe ten days. I then tapped the hive. It broke and there I found that all the five or six grubs had united together and taken the shape of a wasp, but it was white.

Later when I was in Virupaksha Cave, I saw a red wasp construct five or six hives in each of which it placed five or six grubs and flew away. After about ten days, a black beetle, smaller than the wasp,buzzed round the hives and closed each of then, with a little black mud and flew away. I was wondering at the intrusion of the beetle
on the hive of the wasp. I waited a few days and then gently opened one of the hives. Five or six black bodies came out and each of them was a black beetle. I thought it strange.

Again when I was in Pachyamman Temple, I saw a red wasp constructing five or six hives on a pillar in the temple. It placed five or six grubs in each of them and buzzed away. I watched it for several days. The wasp did not return. There was no black beetle also.After about fifteen days, I opened one of the hives. All the grubs had united into a white mass of wasp-like form. It dropped down and was stunned by the fall. After a few minutes, it began to crawl. Its colour was gradually changing. In a short time, there were two little specks on its sides which grew into wings as I watched and the full-grown wasp flew away from the ground.

I had also seen the flies carrying tiny grubs on their legs which they deposited on offal. The grubs later flew away as flies.”

D.: They may be eggs laid by the flies.

M.: But they move and struggle and then shape themselves as flies.

Source: Talks With Ramana Maharshi Book

Atma Bodha verse 49 discusses more on this "bhramarakita nyaya"

Verse 49

In order to be liberated while yet alive, the sage should completely avoid the adjuncts (upadhis), and thus gain the real nature of Being-Consciousness-Bliss, like the maggot that turns into a wasp.


Note:

Upadhis are like thinking "i am body", "i am thin", "i am rich", "i am mind".

maggot means(insect) and wasp means (butterfly).Butterfly normally picks one insect and then keeps it in hole and starts bites it.Finally maybe insect also gets butterfly qualities and starts flying.

AtmaBodha Pravacham By Sri Sundara Chaitanya Swami Volume15 gives more details regarding this verse.


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Re: Ramana Maharshi Confirms "Bhramarakita Nyaya" Belief
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2010, 10:27:01 AM »

Dear prasanth,

Nice collection of three different stories.  I remember only the
Pachaiamman Temple story, where the two dots grew into wings
for the fly.  I have seen the cocoons in Kolar, in Karnataka.  But the
yarn makers in that town place them in boiling water and kill them
in masses, to take out the silk yarn from the cover.  The worm inside
dies.  If a cocoon is allowed its own time, it hits the cover and comes
out as a fly.  Constant efforts [as in self enquiry] is needed for the worm to break open the cover.  This constant effort is mentioned
by Bhagavan Ramana in Verse 39 of Sri Arunachala Akshara Mana
Maalai:- 

Jnamiliyil keda naan en uruthiaal
Naadi nin uRuven Arunachala!

(Jnamali - dog)

Am I worse than a dog?  Certainly not.  By my own strength I shall
trace You and attain You, O Arunachala!

OR

I am worse than a dog.  Certainly not.  By my own strength, I shall
trace You and reach You, O Arunachala!

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: Ramana Maharshi Confirms "Bhramarakita Nyaya" Belief
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2010, 11:49:41 AM »
Subramanian Garu,

i have got the exactly same doubt some time back that is it right for us to kill many silkworms and prepare silk and "Pattu Panchas" and even try to decorate the idols with "Pattu Panchas" and silk clothes?

More or less every temple in india has this tradition ?


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Re: Ramana Maharshi Confirms "Bhramarakita Nyaya" Belief
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2010, 04:24:01 PM »

Dear prasanth,

I agree with you.  Thousands of worms are killed in making a saree.
The Kolar people know only how to make the yarn.  It is transported
to Kanchipuram, for weaving, colouring and making silk sarees.

Kanchi Mahaswami told the devotees to take a vow that his
devotee-ladies should not wear silk sarees.  One of my sisters
is doing this even today.  But many did not care. 

For Gods and goddesses, it is okay.  Because gods and goddesses
are beyond good and evil. 

Arunachala Siva.