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Is the Heart prior to Self
« on: May 15, 2010, 07:05:33 PM »
From some quotes I have got the sense that the Heart is different, or prior to Self. Here's an example.

"Know that the consciousness which always shines in the Heart as the formless Self, ‘I’"

Bhagavan also said that Self is in the center of the Heart.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2010, 07:09:55 PM by Joey_ »


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Re: Is the Heart prior to Self
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 08:32:37 AM »

Dear Joey,

Bhagavan Ramana refers to two aspects.  One is the Heart-Centre,
esoterically mentioned to be on the right of the midchest.  This
is for seekers.  For the realized ones, the Heart is everywhere, without
beginning and end.  This is the Self, Atman, Arunachala.

Bhagavan Ramana says in Verse 2 of Sri Arunachala Pancharatnam:

As on a screen a wondrous picture,
On You, Red Hill, is all this universe,
Formed, sustained and then withdrawn,
Ever as "I" in the heart* you dance,
Hence are you called the Heart.**     

(* heart centre for seekers.  ** the Self, Arunachala, Atman)

Arunachala Siva.


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Re: Is the Heart prior to Self
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2010, 05:01:09 PM »
Oh, So when Bhagavan said: "Let us cherish that Self, which is the reality, in the Heart." the Heart actually means heart-center?

Editing: I now found a quote from Bhagavan about the subject  :)

Q: Sri Bhagavan speaks of the Heart as the seat of consciousness and as identical with the Self.
What does the Heart exactly signify?

A: Call it by any name, God, Self, the Heart or the seat of consciousness, it is all the same. The point to be grasped is
this, that Heart means the very core of one’s being, the centre, without which there is nothing whatever. The Heart is
not physical, it is spiritual. Hridayam equals hrit plus ayam; it means ‘this is the centre’. It is that from which thoughts
arise, on which they subsist and where they are resolved. The thoughts are the content of the mind and they shape the
universe. The Heart is the centre of all. That from which beings come into existence is said to be Brahman in the
Upanishads. That is the Heart. Brahman is the Heart.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2010, 05:03:17 PM by Joey_ »