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SLakshmi

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where is the room for doubt V
« on: May 04, 2010, 09:32:57 PM »
Kaveripatnam postmaster narayanaswamier waits on the maharshi for days and before parting mentions his condition. "I am possessed by sudden fears. what am i to do?"

M: What fears?

N: eg. I am afraid i will get disease

M: Who gets disease. Do you get it?

N: Ofcourse it is the body. It is my body gets it.

M: If you analyse what you are, you see that the disease cannot affect you?

N:I fear death, sometimes.

M: Who are you? Do you die? Can you die?

N: I am atma and atma is immortal

M: Think of that. Realise that.

N:I try; but that does not remain in the mind long.

M: Practice. Long practice makes perfect.

N: Meanwhile there is suffering

M: there need not be any suffering - your vichara keeps off the suffering also

N: The mind requires to be strengthened. Pray strengthen my mind.

M: Go, without fear.

[Source: MP, 2003, Jan, 31-32]


The best part about this conversation that really encouraged me the most and brings solace to aspirants like ourselves is sri bhagavan's boon that no matter what kind of sadhana you do, that alone will take care of things around you. fear, doubt, distress..everything gets burnt by the same sadhana that you are trying to get hold on to! So one need not WAIT! for realisation! the journey itself shall take care of you! do not worry!


bhagavan is great!!

Ramanarpamastu

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Re: where is the room for doubt V
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2010, 01:15:18 AM »
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N: I am atma and atma is immortal

M: Think of that. Realise that.

N:I try; but that does not remain in the mind long.

M: Practice. Long practice makes perfect.

wish to all of us!!!!

It may sound ridiculous, but nothing that is attained without hard work is worth having  ;D

Subramanian.R

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Re: where is the room for doubt V
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 11:54:22 AM »

Dear SLakshmi and grhluna,

Bhagavan Ramana spoke only about two things:

Self enquiry  or
Self surrender.

For both, PERSEVERANCE is required.  Bhagavan Ramana is
like a tiger.  We are caught in His jaws.  The tiger will not
leave the prey it has caught.  We are sure to be consumed!

Sri Arunachala Akshara Mana Maalai, Verse 28:

I came to consume You as food.  But I become Your food
and I am peaceful.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: where is the room for doubt V
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 09:12:44 PM »
Subramaniam Sir,

Bhagavan statement that 'your vichara keeps off the suffering also' has been inferred by me thus. ofcourse bhagavan's margam was self-enquiry and surrender, but what about the sadhakas until then! Ofcourse perseverence is required but bhagavan dosent dissapoint the sadhaka who thinks that he has to wait and persevere all his life and suffer the usual karmic consequences until he attains moksha. Bhagavan says, most encouragingly 'go on, continue your role, that sadhanam, perseverence wont let you down. They shall be your kavacham. They shall protect you.'!

Ofcourse subramaniam sir, thats my interpretation. I maybe wrong...please correct me, and advise.

ramanarpamastu

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Re: where is the room for doubt V
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 09:33:48 AM »

Yes.  Perseverance is the key word.  Bhagavan Ramana said
to Devaraja Mudaliar, who said that total surrender was impossible
for him, :  "Oye, do partial surrender first.  Partial surrender will
also give results to some extent.  And this will lead to total surrender
in due course."  But still, I would stay that perseverance in any
sadhanam is important.  Getting disappointed with the poor results
and losing faith in the sadhanam, is not advised and it is dangerous.

G.V. Subbaramaiah was getting a little restless and panicky towards
the last days of Bhagavan Ramana.  Bhagavan Ramana was his mother and father and guru.  What could he do then?  Where could he go?  Then GVS meekly asked Bhagavan Ramana:  Abhayam....
Abhayam...  Bhagavan Ramana said with glittering eyes, in Telugu,
"Icchenu..."  I have given.  Bhagavan Ramana gives us the fearlessness in our pursuit, our sadhanam, our daily wordly life.
He is our mother,father and guru.

Ammaiyum appanum mai ennai aakki aLithu......

Sri Arunachala Nava Mani Maalai, Verse 9.

Arunachala Siva.   
 

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Re: where is the room for doubt V
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 01:33:40 PM »
thanks subramaniam sir...the concept is more clearer now...