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SLakshmi

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where is the room for doubt III
« on: April 21, 2010, 10:21:38 PM »

28-6-46

In the afternoon Khanna's wife appealed to bhagavan in writing: " I am not learned in the scriptures and I find the method of self-enquiry too hard for me. I am a woman with seven children and a lot of household cares, and it leaves me little time for meditation. I request bhagavan to give me some simpler and easier method."

Bhagavan: No learning or knowledge of scriptures is necessary to know the self, as no man requires a mirror to see himself. All knowledge is required only to be given up eventually as non-self. Nor is household work or cares with children necessarily an obstacle. If you can do nothing more, at least continue saying 'I, I' to yourself mentally all the time, as advised in 'Who am I'. whatever work you may be doing and whether you are sitting, standing, walking. 'I' is the name of God. It is the first and greatest of all mantras. Even OM is second to it.


[Day by day with Bhagavan, Pg 265]



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Re: where is the room for doubt III
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 09:12:54 AM »
Dear SLakshmi,

Yes.  Nothing, lack of time, house-hold work, not reading scriptures
-- will be an obstacle for chanting the I-I.  The realization that comes
with that also comes without knowledge.  What is essential is
only extinction of the ego.

ULLadu Narpadu, Verse 31:

Thannai azhithu ezhuntha thanmaiyanandarkukku....

"For him, who is the Bliss of the Self, arising from the extinction
of the ego, what is there to do?  He knows nothing other than
this Self.  How to conceive the nature of this state?"     

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: where is the room for doubt III
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 09:56:18 AM »
Subramaniam sir,

Can knowledge come without ego? self-realisation, can it happen without the help of the ego? The same ego is also giving us the intutive knowledge about the un-realness of the world..

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Re: where is the room for doubt III
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 10:06:18 AM »
Dear SLakshmi,

Only the ego should become extinct.  Mind must be there.  This
mind should be rubbed and polished, mani kadainthu ena manam
manam enum kallil maru ara kadaiaya nin aruL oLi mevum (Sri
Arunachala Ashtakam, Verse 5).  The mind when rubbed with mind,
becomes pure and glowing as Ruby.  This is the advaitic paradox.
The snake appearing first becomes the rope.  The same stuff.
This Ruby of the mind, curls up into the Self and loses its significance.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: where is the room for doubt III
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2010, 10:47:26 PM »
Subramaniam sir,

isnt mind the work of the ego? Isnt it then that if ego dissolves, the mind then automatically ceases to exist?

On the night of 29-12-45, Mr.dewanji asked bhagavan, " what is the easiest way to attain one pointedness of mind?"

Bhagavan said " the best way is to see the source of mind. See if there is such a thing as the mind.It is only if there is a mind that the question of making it one-pointed will arise. when you investigate by turning inwards, you will find there is no such thing as the mind."

Subramaniam sir, i think i understand what you are trying to say, coz' only with an evolved/polished mind can u experience swarupa...and ofcourse you need mind to do that. But bhagavan seems to be suggesting differently...



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Re: where is the room for doubt III
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2010, 06:39:00 AM »
Dear SLakshmi,

Bhagavan Ramana has said about the mind in two aspects on
different occasions:

1/   There is no mind at all.  Only the Ego comes out of the Source, and gets deluded by the world and its beings and objects.  It is Maya,
indescribable. The egoless state in permanence is Jnana State.

2/    On some occasions, Bhagavan Ramana has said:  (Who am I?)
"There is no mind.  It produces all sorts of thoughts. Only thoughts are there.  Thoughts are the gross form of the mind.  If one
investigates wherefrom these thoughts occur, then these thoughts
will go back to the Source."  Thoughtless state is Jnana State.

Bhagavan Ramana has said:  Either you investigate the thoughts
or investigate the mischief of the ego, then you will abide in
Source.  The permanent abidance in Source is Sahaja Samadhi.

There are some variations in Saiva Siddhantam.  They say, Mind
which is Maya -  they call it Anava Malam (the impurity of ego) -
is also permanently abiding with Sivam as Suddha Maya or Pure
Mind or Suddha Manas. 

It is this Suddha Manas which writes poetry, eats, bathes, drinks
and sleeps for a Brahma Jnani.  Bhagavan of course said that
the Eye of the eye i.e. the Self itself writes poetry etc.,

Saint Manikkavachagar says that Siva and Suddha Maya bloom
in Tiruvannamalai tank, together, as Lotus and Indra Neelam.
Maya is Krishna - she is blue in colour.  Neela mega shyamali.
Siva is golden red in colour - He is like Lotus - Ponnar meniyane....

Arunachala Siva.