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Ramana Maharshi answers On what should we meditate?
« on: April 18, 2010, 12:01:46 PM »
D.: How is the ‘I-I’ consciousness felt?

M.: As an unbroken awareness of ‘I’. It is simply consciousness.

D.: Can we know it when it dawns?

M.: Yes, as consciousness. You are that even now. There will be no mistaking it when it is pure.

D.: Why do we have such a place as the ‘Heart’ for meditation?

M.: Because you seek consciousness. Where can you find it? Can you reach it externally? You have to find it internally. Therefore you are directed inward. Again the ‘Heart’ is only the seat of consciousness or the consciousness itself.

D.: On what should we meditate?

M.: Who is the meditator? Ask the question first. Remain as the meditator. There is no need to meditate.

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Re: Ramana Maharshi answers On what should we meditate?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2010, 04:53:22 PM »
Dear prasanth,

Bhagavan Ramana has said this in Verse 30 of ULLadu Narpadu
(=Sad Darsanam):

Naanaar ena manam uL naadi yula nannave
Naanaam avan talai naana mura - naanaa naat
Thondrum ondrundu taanaahat tondrinum naan andru poruL
Pundramadhy taanaam poruL

(Pundram = Poornam = Full)

This is called the Hrudaya Sthanam of ULLadu Narpadu.

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In the form of conviction of the awareness, 'I-am-the-body'
what everybody experiences as the innate subjective awareness
of "I-I" is called the ego or mind.  Appearing between the Sat
and Asat, calling itself as "I", it functions in the phenomenal
world with the sense of doership and enjoyership.  When
this 'ego' seeks its own origin within with the enquiry 'Who am I?',
thus directing the light, though borrowed, on itself, and reaches
the Heart, the ego gets drowned in the source of its awareness.

Bhagavan has explained this very same idea in verse 19 of Upadesa
Undiyar (=Upadesa Saram) as follows:

Naan enru ezhumidam yethana naada uN
Naan thalai saainthidum undipara
Jnana Vicharam idhu undipara.

When one turns within and searches
Whence this "I" thought arises,
In utter shame, "I" vanishes.

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The experience of being the Atman, the light of pure Consciousness
of the Atman, which shines with continued sphurana of "I-I", is
different from awareness of the "I" of Chidabhasa -- the Jiva
that was erstwhile functioning with the impregnated sense of
Atman as the body.  This pure light of Consciousness that pulsates
with the incessant sphurana of "I-I" is undifferentiated, unfragmented, indivisible, with no admixture of the Chidabhasa
and it shines as the Space of Consciousness beyond.   This is
the All-full or the plenary state, also called, Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
Bhagavan explains he true content of the feeling of pure experience
of "I" as "taanaam poruL" (Self is the content), thus indicating
he death of individuality.  The same is voiced in Verse 21 of Upadesa Undiyar (=Upadesa Saram), as "Naan ennum sor poruLaam
adhu" ("That is the true content of the word "I-I")

The original verse is as under:

Naan ennum sor poruLam adhu naaLume
Naanatra thookkathum undipara
Namathinmai neekkathal undipara.

Of the term, "I" the permanent import
Is That.  For even in deep sleep
Where we have no sense of "I"
We do not cease to be.   (Tr.Prof.K. Swaminathan)

While the word Naan ('I') represents he ego, Taan (Self) refers
to his body, but when a Jivan Mukta says Naan ("I") means
"Naane Naane" ( "I am that I am").  It will be worthwhile
here referring to Verse 20 of Upadesa Undiyar (=Upadesa Saram)
which also has the same content.

Naan onru thaanathu Naananenu ondrathu
Thaanagath thonrume undipara
Thaanathu Pundramam undipara.                     

(Pundram = Poornam = Full)

Where this 'I notion fades
There appears "I-I" by itself
The One, the very Self, the Infinite.  (Tr. T.R.Kanakammal)

(Courtesy: T.R. Kanakammal)

Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: Ramana Maharshi answers On what should we meditate?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2010, 01:54:52 AM »
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M.: Who is the meditator? Ask the question first. Remain as the meditator. There is no need to meditate.

I love that. Ramana Maharshi also said:

Do not meditate – be!
Do not think that you are – be!
Don’t think about being – you are!

But then on the other hand He advises us to seek the 'I', but is his simple instruction "Be!" same as seeking the 'I'?

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Re: Ramana Maharshi answers On what should we meditate?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2010, 10:34:26 AM »
Dear Joey,

Seeking the "I" is seeking the Self, "I-I" as Western writers
put it in English.  It is not seeking the I which is ego.  But
one should investigate from where this I (ego) arises.  Then
the I (the ego) curls back into the Source and then shines as
I-I.

Destroying the I or the ego, is called Thannizhappu, in Tamil.
Bhagavan Ramana has used this phrase in ULLadu Narpadu.

In fact, the Self enquiry is actually the enquiry into the non self
so that the non self would run back to its source. 

This ego, absolutely harmless, hardly visible, will be like the moon in the noon.

Arunachala Siva.