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Meditation
« on: August 20, 2008, 10:42:01 PM »
Meditation--is it a doing or being?
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Re: Meditation
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 12:48:48 AM »
Dear Raju,

Meditation is a "doing" because you meditate on an idea. Whereas Self-Enquiry is a being.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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Re: Meditation
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 09:07:35 AM »
Dear nonduel,
                   Any idea is thought.Thought is a response of memory which is material in nature.When you meditate on an idea there is a meditator
and the idea which is meditated upon.In this process there is duality,division of the mind which is bound to bring conflict because of friction between
two entities.Then meditation becomes another mental activity.Is meditation something to do with thought or something to do with pure consciousness?
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Re: Meditation
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 10:43:58 AM »
Dear Raju and non duel,  Meditation is dual, thought-involved.
It is "dhyana", as Bhagavan says in Who am I?  The meditation,
fructifies into realization of the Self.  For that matter, even
enquiry is dual, because, there is an enquirer and an enquired.
When enquiry ceases and attains the goal,  one is the Self.
That is why, I said, "thoughtlessness is self realization", but
"srkudai" is feeling otherwise.  About that, a separate post.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Meditation
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 11:42:48 AM »
Dear srkudai,
                 True meditation is spontaneous,it is not a deliberate mental activity.Yes,it is being.
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Re: Meditation
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 11:50:58 AM »
Dear srkudai,  The answers for the states of meditation are slowly
coming!  Good!

Bhagavan mentions three types of meditation in Upadesa Saram,

With words audible outside,  the mantra japa,
With words within, no audible, the silent  mantra japa
No words, only a 'bhavana',  I am Siva, I am Siva   or I am Brahman
I am Brahman.

The first two  are 'thinking medittion'.  The third one, is non-
thinking'.  Bhagavan uses the word 'unnuthal' in Tamil Upadesa
Undiyar (Upadesa Saram).   Unnuthal means a bhavana.  It is
continuous like flow of oil, thyla dhara.

So meditation can be thoughtful or thoughtless.  But in the
third, there is bhavana - mental conviction.   So all are dual
and not nondual.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Meditation
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 04:46:51 PM »
Dear srkudai,  I shall, Bhagavan willing try to do it, after
completing Panchadasi, which is a massive work.  For Upadesa
Saram, I shall follow Osborne's translation, after consulting
Sri Sadhu Om's and Smt Kanakammal's Tamil commentary.  I want
to get the first  book, when I go to T.malai , coming Monday.  My wife
has already said that I should restrict my book purchases to less than
Rs 1000.00.  I have got  Bhagavan with me to select the best ones.


Arunachala Siva.