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ULLadu Narpadu - 34
« on: April 08, 2010, 08:26:47 AM »
Guru Vachaka Kovai, Verse 112 says:

"If, even in the state of ultimate truth (Paramartha), the Jiva
and the world are as real as God, then God's nature - complete
and utter fullness - becomes imperfect."  It is not proper to make
this claim unless we accept that God is subject to limitation.

Here Muruganar shifts the focus of Vivartha Vadha to Ajata Vada.
Even after realization, if one feels that the world and God are as
real as the Jiva, (which has now attained self realization), then
such claim is limiting the God to 1/3rd of the Self.

Bhagavan dealt with this in His conversation of 7th April 1946,
vide Day by Day.

Bhagavan noted in passing that if one accepts that they are real,
'the other two entities (the world and the Jiva) necessarily
limit the reality of God.'.

From this point, the talk drifted to the various schools of thought,
one saying there is only Reality, others saying there are three
eternal entities, such as jagat, jiva and Iswara, or Pati, Pasu,
Pasam (the three fundamental entities of Saiva Siddhantam, God,
soul and the bondage that ties it to the world).

In this connection, Bhagavan observed humorously, 'It is not at
all correct to say that the advaitins or the Sankara school deny the
existence of the world or that they call it unreal.  On the other
hand, it is more real to them than to others.  Their world will always
exist, whereas the world of other schools will have origin, growth
and decay, and as such cannot be real.  Only, they (the advaitins)
say that the world as world is not real, but that the world as
Brahman is real.  All is Brahman, nothing exists but Brahman,
and the world as Brahman is real.

In this way, the advaitins claim they give more reality to the world,
than the other schools do.  For example, according to schools
which believe in three entities, the Jagat is only one-third of the Reality, whereas according to advaitins, the world as Brahman
is Reality, the world and Reality are not different. 

Similarly, even to God or Brahman, the other two schools give only
one third sovereignty.  The other two entities necessarily limit
the reality of God.

Arunachala Siva.   


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Re: ULLadu Narpadu - 34
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 04:25:15 PM »
Awareness, as srkudai has observed, is JUST IS.  The Suddha Manas, the Pure Mind,
does the work in the person who is Awareness.  This is the suddha manas, which
eats, drinks, sleeps, writes poems etc.,

Arunachala Siva.