Author Topic: DELETED.  (Read 9985 times)

srkudai

  • Guest
DELETED.
« on: April 06, 2010, 02:33:43 PM »
DELETED.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2012, 07:03:36 PM by srkudai »

saraskrishna

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 61
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 08:33:42 PM »
Dear Udai.. waiting to read the rest of your lines.. if it is not complete, please go ahead.  I have not gone through Shubashitani of Sri Adi Sankara.  if there is something more after "Now, the question is, how do i know about myself?".. please go ahead..

with love
saras

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47827
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 11:46:28 AM »
The thoughts are also expressed by Sri Sankara in his

1. Nirvana Shatkam.

2. Dasa Sloki.

Arunachala Siva.

ramana_maharshi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3557
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 01:05:20 PM »
In Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi Composition Of Sankaracharya's Atma Bodha (Knowledge of the Self ) also discusses that only by atma-gnanam can destroy ignorance.

2. Of all the means to liberation, knowledge is the only direct one — as essential as fire to cooking; without it, liberation cannot be gained.

3. Not being opposed to ignorance, karma does not destroy it. On the other hand, knowledge destroys ignorance as surely as light does darkness.

44. True, the Self is always here and now; yet it is not apparent, owing to ignorance. On ignorance being destroyed the Self seems as if it were gained, like the necklace on one’s own neck.

49. In order to be liberated while yet alive, the sage should completely avoid the adjuncts (upadhis), and thus gain the real nature of Being-Consciousness-Bliss, like the maggot that turns into a wasp.

66. Like gold freed from dross, the jiva (sadhaka) has all his impurities burnt away by the fire of knowledge bursting into flames fanned by sravana, manana and nidhidhyasana (hearing, reflection and contemplation) and now he shines forth by himself.



RobertAdam

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 5
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 05:31:34 PM »
I agree with this statement

44. True, the Self is always here and now; yet it is not apparent, owing to ignorance. On ignorance being destroyed the Self seems as if it were gained, like the necklace on one’s own neck.

Yet i also agree with the meher quote saying a guru is needed, as the gurus prescense is necessary to remove that ignorance
In this life my mind had very little dust, but it was not removed until i met & surrendered to the guru
A lot of beings nowadays are saying 'i don't need anything to wake up' which is very true spoken from the Self, but not at all true spoken from the ego
Its usually spoken out of the attempt to avoid surrendering to a living master

« Last Edit: April 07, 2010, 05:37:07 PM by RobertAdam »
'Be the Self, That is all'

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47827
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2010, 07:23:01 PM »
Dear srkudai,

In the evening, I once again read your post.  I agree that the
Self is self luminous and no efforts which are per se dual, will
help.  But to say that we do not need EXPERIENCE is, in my
view, not correct.  God or Guru gives the experience out of his
abundant grace.  This experience may no doubt, be temporary,
as it happened in the case of Mastan Swami, Chadwick and Devaraja
Mudaliar but this little spoon of experience helps the true seeker
to bestow more and more self attention or recognition (as you
put it) or Sraddha, more and more interest with faith and conviction.

Sri Sankara says my Guru said:  Sivoham, Sivoham... But I do not
yet become Siva.  But I have faith in Guru's words and I shall
pursue.  This is sraddha towards experience.

Bhagavan Ramana says in Sri Arunachala Akshara Mana Maalai:

Verse 44:  How is it, O Arunachala! You told me, "Turn and
look within and ever seek the Self with the inner eye and you
will see it?"

Verse 45:  Seeking you with my weak mind, I have come back
empty handed, aid me, O Arunachala!

This is for the weak minded.

The alternate meaning is:

Verse 45:  Seeking you in the infinite Self, I regained my own
Self, O Arunachala!

This is for the strong minded with Sraddha.
 
The words dheeramil means without strong attention.
The words theeramil means with strong attention that knows no
   boundary.

Since in Tamil, there is only one 'tha' which can also be pronounced
as 'dha', the original verse gives room for 2 interpretations.
 
Muruganar says that both the meanings should be contemplated.
     
Then comes the beautiful verse about the Grace of God or Guru:

Verse 47: O Lord Arunachala, let me, EVEN ME,  merge in your
true body, where only those of pure mind and speech merge.

"Even me" indicates Guru's help and grace.  Experience is essential,
it may be for a short trice of time, but it helps to get the permanent
abidance where there is nothing but Experience, the experience
of Sat Chit Anandam.
     
Arunachala Siva.     

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47827
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2010, 07:50:23 PM »
Yes, the Self is substratum of all experience, but Guru's
grace is essential to get a glimpse of it so that one could
pursue with sraddha.  This experience is definitely not like
an experience of eating an ice cream.  It is beyond description.

Chadwick came running from his cottage, with his wet towel,
he was in the middle of a bath, and asked Bhagavan Ramana:

"Bhagavan!  Is it so simple?"

Bhagavan said:  Yes, it is.

This is where, Chadwick who was a mature seeker,( I think he never
went home back,) could get the experience that led him to the
substratum, as you have put it.

Abiding in the Substratum is the real experience. 

Na nirodha na chotpattir
Nabaddho na cha sadhakaha
Na mumukshur na vai mukta
Ityesha paramarthata.

   Gaudapada Karika, II.32.

Some one said that when everyone was trying to reach moon,
Gaudapada arrived at Mars!

Arunachala Siva.

ramana_maharshi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3557
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2010, 08:09:15 PM »
yes guru's grace is very much necessary and as ramana says power cannot be denied.

Quote
once KAVYAKANTHA Ganapathi Sastri, Kapali Sastri and his wife Parvathammal, enter the hall. They all bow before the Maharshi and take their seats. Many others are present.

Kapali: When after a long struggle and development (by sadhana) one attains siddhi, is the attainment due to his effort or to the action of the Spirit or Power which is the object of his upasana?

Maharshi: It is the action of the Current.

Kapali: So it is not the aspirant's actions that make him get siddhi, but it is the act of the Current?

M: Yes.

Kapali: Is it That which drew Bhagavan from Madurai to Tiruvannamalai?

M: Yes. You see in the letter left at home at the time of leaving, I first wrote "By His command." And then added above it "In search of my Father." It is He that drew me. I wrote that and left. Also, finding funds was not due to my efforts. My brother of his own accord told me, "You had better take and pay my school fees at the school," and out of the five rupees given for that I took three rupees for the train to Tindivanam. Judging the distance from an out-of-date atlas of India, Tindivanam was the nearest railway station to Tiruvannamalai. Again, the train which usually leaves at 11.45 a.m. was unusually late. I left home after 12 noon for the station and was still there in time to catch it.

The correct information about my destination was given to me by an old Muslim with a silvery white flowing beard, one or two stations after we left Madurai. "Where are you going swami?" he queried. "To Tiruvannamalai and so I have gotten a ticket to Tindivanam," I replied. "You are a strange passenger to go to Tindivanam in route to Tiruvannamalai. I am also going there," he said and added, "and we should change trains at Villupuram. You should not go to Tindivanam at all." He informed me that he was going to Tirukoilur, but strangely I did not find him when after some time I looked for him in the carriage. After that, I did not think of him at all.

Kapali: That must have been Siva. Why call him a Muslim?

[There was a pause in the conversation as Bhagavan remained silent.]

Kapali: Had the chastisement, "What work is there here for a person who is like this?" been uttered to Bhagavan before the day he left Madurai?

Maharshi: Yes. But earlier it had produced no effect. On that day it was sufficient to make me leave home. The time had come for that.

Source: http://www.arunachala.org/newsletters/2008/?pg=may-jun#article.2

Once guru's grace is obtained then  sravana, manana and nidhidhyasana should be practiced.

ramana_maharshi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3557
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2010, 03:08:43 PM »
well said udai garu.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47827
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2010, 11:47:00 AM »
The Self is "Sat".  But it is not merely "Sat" but "Sat-Chit-Anandam."  The Self
is also All-Knowledge, Sarvajnam and Anandam, Bliss. 

Sri Arunachala Nava Mani Maalai, Verse 2 reads as under:-

The meaning and purport of ARUNA is "A", "ru" and "na", Sat, Chit and Anandam.
-Being, Consciousness and Bliss.  or again the Supreme Self.  The individual self,
and their union as the one Absolute, expressed in the Maha Vaakya, "That Thou art".
Achala signifies perfection.  This Arunachala is shining golden lustre.
Mere remembrance of Arunachala ensures deliverance. 

So the Sat and Chit and Anandam are three in one.  Bliss is indivisible part of
Sat.  All-Knowledge is again indivisible part of Sat. 

The Bliss obtained through Guru's Grace, is of course, temporary.  It is only
temporary.  But the foretaste helps you to pursue your Sadhana more vigorously
with faith and conviction.

The phrase "Sattiya Chir Sukam" in the Verse 2, as used by Bhagavan is only
Sat Chit Anandam.

Arunachala Siva.       

ramana_maharshi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3557
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2010, 01:14:45 PM »
Yes udai garu.

Bhagavan Ramana always says,

Renunciation means internal renunciation and not external.

It is only when one knows that sugarcane is sweet, that one wishes to have some.

Similarly, we must have experienced peace. we experience it now and then. Otherwise, why this longing for peace? In fact we find every human being is longing similarly for peace;peace of some kind.

The mind with all its activities has come between you and your Self. What you have to do now is to get rid of that.


ramana_maharshi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3557
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2010, 01:42:21 PM »
Excellent description Udai Shankar Garu.

Once bhagavan ramana said,

There is only one state, that of consciousness or awareness or existence. The three states of waking, dream and sleep cannot be real. They simply come and go.

We may roughly put it like this.Existence or consciousness is the only reality. Consciousness plus waking, we call waking.Consciousness plus sleep, we call sleep. Consciousness plus dream, we call dream.

Consciousness is the screen on which all the pictures come and go. The screen is real, the pictures are mere shadows on it.

ramana_maharshi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3557
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2010, 02:08:09 PM »
yes, i agree control of the mind and senses are very much required.

Afterall Bhagavad Gita deals with this in many verses.

Dear Udai Garu and Other Members,

I have one more doubt.

In the below link thread you said

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=4824.msg13193#msg13193

To have no Raga-Dvesha. Not possible.
To not come under the Sway of Raga-Dvesha is Realization.

Even a Realized person has Raga-Dvesha. No one can say eating neem leaves is the same as eating ice cream.

I will agree with the above statement completly as even ramana liked to eat the iddlies and chilly powder he requested during the last month of his life.

But lets take any animal for example pig.

I wonder if pig has any Raga-Dvesha with regards to food.We all know that pig generally eats human waste as food and releases the same.

Now if lets say idly is given to pig will it have more raga towards this food is my doubt?

If no,then can we say animals are better than us with regards to control of tongue in this context?

if yes,then no problems as we can univerally declare that no one can escape from Raga-Dvesha atleast in regards towards food.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47827
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2010, 03:04:51 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Nice posts, all that you wrote today.

Many think that since Sivam or Guru is ekam or advaitam, it should
not appear as something other than non-moving; only as Matter.
No.  It can appear to dance too! Om Rachitachala Tandavaya
Namah: says Sri Ramana Ashottaram, the dance of achalam!
How can achalam dance?  Achalam's effulgence, gives an appearance
that it is dazzling and dancing!

Arunachala Siva.   

ramana_maharshi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3557
    • View Profile
Re: subashitani of Sri Adi Sankaracharya
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 01:13:32 PM »
well said udai garu.

Always guru ramana says we should be like an actor in a movie.

Q: I am Awareness, then how to live it up?

A: Like an actor who plays various roles but never forgets that he is the one playing these roles. one should never confuse oneself for the roles one plays in life.

-- By Swami Suddhanandaji Of Samvit Sagar Trust

Just as an actor is not really affected by the passions which he displays on the stage, so also this Jnani, always aware of his perfection, is not affected by the seeming pleasures and pains which he regards as a mere illusion, like the horns of a hare.  - TRIPURA RAHASYA

Give up hope, says the Vedanta. Why should you hope? You have everything, nay, you are everything. What are you hoping for? If a king goes mad, and runs about trying to find the king of his country, he will never find him, because he is the king himself. He may go through every village and city in his own country, seeking in every house, weeping and wailing, but he will never find him, because he is the king himself. It is better that we know we are God and give up this fool's search after Him; and knowing that we are God we become happy and contented. Give up all these mad pursuits, and then play your part in the universe, as an actor on the stage.     - Swami Vivekananda

How should we act in the world? “One should act in the world like an actor on the stage. In all actions there is in the background the real Self as the underlying principle; remember that and act.”  - Ramana Maharshi