Author Topic: Are we all in a dream?  (Read 1101 times)

SLakshmi

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
    • View Profile
Are we all in a dream?
« on: April 05, 2010, 02:49:12 PM »
Bhagavan says:

"In a dream you have no inkling that it is a dream and so you dont have the duty of trying to get out of it by your effort. But in this life, you have some intuition, by your sleep experience, by reading and hearing, that this life is something like a dream and hence the duty is cast on you to make an effort and get out of it. However, who wants you to realise the self, if you dont want it? If you prefer to be in the dream, stay as you are."

There has been a constant debate over this dream and wakeful state and the duration of it all. Sh.Major chadwick had concerns over this and often asked bhagavan about this.

If we all see, the dream state is short and often very out of context or very different from our own character, which we possess in our wake-ful lives.Also, dreams have no method or routine. its often different episodes and so on. Our wake-ful lives have the same characters everyday, a routine and above all continuity. Why is there so much difference or incoherence in the two? Also, is bhagavan also a dream or is he real? If he is to me in this wakeful-dream, why dosent he bless me in my sleep-dream?

There was another question regarding the deep-sleep state. I read somewhere that deep sleep state is one that we should srtive to achieve even while we are wake-ful. The deep-sleep state is one derived out of sheer exhaustion and tiredness. Even a comatose state is derived from ill-ness. How can that be peaceful? that can be at the most restful. Also a man in deep sleep is jadam. He is just like a log of wood. Cannot move, do nothing. How can then activity of a body replicate the stillness of deep-sleep?

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47071
    • View Profile
Re: Are we all in a dream?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 03:40:16 PM »
Dear SLakshmi,

Bhagavan Ramana says in Who am I? : Excepting the fact that the
dream is short and wakeful state is long, there is no other difference.
But as you correctly said, we have to find out our Source, only in the
wakeful state.  In fact, some devotee asked if we are not having
the mind in deep sleep, why not we attain the Self in that mindless
state that is in deep sleep.  Bhagavan Ramana also answered him:
The permanent mindless state and through that the Self Realization,
can be attained only in the wakeful i.e mindful state.  One can take
medicine for tooth ache only when the tooth aches and not daily take
one tablet even though there is no tooth ache.  The mind pains you
only in wakeful state and that is the sickness and only at that stage,
one should find out the medicine for achieving the mindless or thoughtless state.

Another story.  Two fellows were sleeping in a choultry.  One fellow
dreamt that he had become a very rich man with cupboards full
of currency and gold bars.  A thief had appeared in that dream
and taken away all the treasure.  Now this man in dream cries
"Thief, Thief, Catch him..."   Now the other fellow who is still not
sleeping wakes him up from the dream.  Now this other man,
who is the Guru, (who knows that everything is a dream, even his
sleepless night), what will he do, when he heard the wailing of the
fellow next?  Will he go to catch the thief?  Or will he go to the
police station to complain?  He will only wake the dreaming fellow
up, because he (the Guru) knows that it is all a dream.       

Arunachala Siva.