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Ashtavakra Samhita a Discussion
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:30:37 AM »
Hi Friends,

            Ashtavakra Samhita or Ashtavakra Gita consists of the teachings of Ashtavakra to Janaka Maharaj. Janaka Maharaj expressed through his life how one might be a king and still remain absolutely unattached.

 Sri Adi Sankaracharya, in Bhaja govindam says: Jnana Viheena Sarva Mathena Bajathi na Muktim janma Shatena [one without knowledge does not obtain liberation even in a hundred births, no matter which religious faith he follows].

Bhakti or Karma Phala Tyagam [Detachment to results]  is absolutely impossible without Jnana. When one understands oneself as one is, one is at once freed from the attachment to result and then what ever one does it detached work. And similarly when one recognizes that Isa Vyapyam idam jagat [God is every where, in out and through us right now], that very recognition leads to a total dissolution of ego which is true Bhakti. What is required is only Jnana. All else follow. Without knowledge, when one tries to do detached work, he finds it impossible, coz he feels bettered by the results of the action. The very reason why he performed his action is for the result. So if one tells such a person to leave the result, its not possible for him. Similarly with bhakti. Sri Krishna says “Sarva Darman Parityajya Maam ekam Saranam Vraja” [leaving all Dharmas (laws), surrender to me alone]… and most people don’t know how to do this ! Coz who is this “Me”, Krishna? If Krishna is nothing more than a mental idea, how can one surrender to his own mental idea, as surrender itself means dropping of all mental ideas?

Nothing works unless one knows oneself and once one knows oneself as one is, everything naturally falls in place. When one knows the Gods presence every moment, in and through oneself, one cannot but remain in complete surrender. When one knows Krishna, one is free, one automatically does detached action, coz there remains no one to get attached in the first place.

Ayam Atma Gudakesha sarva Buteshu samstitah. I am the “Soul” in all living [and non, living ;)] beings. Krishna is essentially the Self Luminous entity in all living beings. Let us see clearly what is meant by Self luminous. Sun is self Luminous, moon shines with the light of sun. Same way, this body seems alive in the presence of something , the mind functions in the presence of some entity. That entity is Krishna, the Soul. That is also Self or Brahman, knowing which one is free.

So The dialogue between Janaka and Ashtavakra starts with a simple question by Janaka. [Tp be continued ...]

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Re: Ashtavakra Samhita a Discussion
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 04:25:30 PM »
Dear srkudai,
                 Does the word Astavakra is symbolic of knots nerve plexuses from Muladhara to Sahasrara,then from Sahasrara to the Spiritual heart?
                 Even Buddha talked of presence of these knots which directs our attention in a particular way if there is knot and course of attention
                 altered if the knot is released.If the knot of chit-jada grandhi is released the flow of attention from the self towards objective reality
                 is stopped.
                 Or Asta vakra is meant to indicate a physical status?     
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 07:21:11 PM »
Dear DRPVSSN Raju, the six centres of Mooladhara etc., are
different.  The Ashtavakra, denotes eight bends in the Sage's
body, due to some illness.

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Re: Ashtavakra Samhita a Discussion
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 11:10:23 AM »
Liberation happens when we existentially know that there no bondage at all.

Dispassion,association with the wise,self-enquiry are aids to it.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 11:56:36 AM »
My dear 'srkuadi',  Your Ashtavakra Samhita posts are excellent.
Please continue.  I am trying to pick up my Sri Ramakrishna Math,
book, and read concurrently the passages in the same evening.
Thank you.  Your story of Ashtavakra's curse is known to be but I have forgotten it. Forgetfulness is a sin.  I am happy.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 04:32:54 PM »
Dear srkudai, I agree with you.  Forgetting unimportant things,
like what I ate for breakfast last Thursday, is a gift.  As regards,
the two methods, I believe Bhagavan stressed on the monkey method,
that we should hold on to Guru with our efforts.  Bhagavan says:
" God and the Guru will only show the way to release.  They will
not by themselves take the soul to the state of release.  In truth,
God and the Guru are not different.  Just as the prey which has
fallen into the jaws of a tiger has no escape, so those who
have come within the ambit of the Guru's gracious look will
be saved by the Guru and will not get lost.  Yet, EACH ONE
SHOULD,  BY HIS OWN EFFORT PURSUE THE PATH SHOWN BY
GOD OR THE GURU AND GAIN RELEASE, AND NOT WITH
SOMEBODY ELSE'S.  Does he, who is Rama, require the help of
a mirro to know that he is Rama?"  (Who am I? 1902)

Perhaps, Guru's Grace, may be interpreted as a mother cat's
lifing of the baby-cat through its jaws.   But eventually we have
to be monkeys to win the game.

Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Ashtavakra Samhita a Discussion
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 03:24:36 PM »
Dear srkudai,  I am happy to read your nice explanations
for the requirements for understanding and attaiing the Self,
in the preliminary verses of Ashtavkara Gita.  Plese continue
daily.

Only one elaboration on Satyam, Asatyam and mithya.  This is
something, which is not there in Western philosophy.  We all
know only truth and untruth.  Upanishads also say a third one
called 'mithya', which can be translated as 'seemingly real'
or 'seemingly unreal'.  The following examples will help.

SUN is in the sky  -  This is truth, or a true statement or a real. Satyam

Son of a barren-woman -  This is always untruth, or a false
statement or unreal. - Asatyam

Snake seen in the rope at dusk -  This is seemingly real - for
sometime appears real and later on correct understanding, it is
unreal.  Mithya.

Thank you, once again, srkudai.

Arunachala Siva.   
         

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Re: Ashtavakra Samhita a Discussion
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 03:50:57 PM »
Astavakra advising truth seekers to withdraw the attention from the nonself and once our awareness rests in itself we are endowed with the qualities of
tolerance,sincerity,compassion,contentment,truthfulness which are innate qualities of unadulterated awareness.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 04:19:26 PM »
Dear all,
          Happiness in the sense objects is due to temporary withdrawl of the mind into the causal body(Anandamaya kosa) which has
pleasurable tendencies(Ananda vrittis)like 1)Priya--the happiness that occurs seeing an object we like.2)Moda--the happiness that occurs
when the object we like is under our possession.3)Pramoda--the happiness that occurs because of experiencing the object we like.
All these are transient,so Astavakra is advising us to renounce such transient happiness which is the outcome of interaction of senses
with the objects.Instead he is advising us to hold on to the self to have uninterrupted bliss of self-conscious being.
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Re: Ashtavakra Samhita a Discussion
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 02:11:58 PM »
Astavakra asks Janaka to negate the identity with the nonself to arrive at the self.Even mind is nonself.Consciousness is beyond Jnata(seer)and Jneyam(seen).
So we have to negate both of them to arrive at consciousness.Seer belongs to Para prakriti and seen belongs to Apara prakriti.
Consciousness is beyond Prakriti.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2008, 11:55:13 AM »
Dear skrudai,  Yes, staying as 'the seer', unmindful of 'the seeb',
is self realization.  This is what, as Sankara said is "Drik-Drisya
Vivkem".

srkudai, Nice, please continue.

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 04:26:44 PM »
Dear Subramanian-ji,
Dear Srkudai-ji,

Could you elaborate more on the "witness".  Object are seen through consciousness. If there is no consciousness no objects are seen. Thus objects do not, cannot exist by themselves. Consequently they "originate" in consciousness. They exist in consciousness only and not separate from consciousness.

By saying that the "seer", unmindfull of the "seen", is Self-Realization, implies a "seer" and a "seen", a "separation", duality.

Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2008, 04:39:03 PM »
Dear non duel, Moot point.  In Advaita scriptures, the seer,
who implies duality, does not the 'seen', then he becomes
the Witness.  He does not see anything, he is a Witness.  In
English, 'witness' would mean that he has seen.  But it is
used in Sanskrit as a Person, in the scene.  That is all.  Bhagavan
says in Who am I? the Sun is the witness of all the activities
of the world.  The Sun does not see.  It is Present that is all.
It is the Presence that is meant by Witness and not the activity
of seeing which implies duality.  There is a theft in the house.
No one is there.  But there is a TV, a refrigerator, a computer etc.,
All these are Witnesses, they do not see the theft.  In any Hindu
religion the God is a Witness, 'the sakshi ', the Unseen or Nonseeing Presence.     

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Re: Ashtavakra Samhita a Discussion
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2008, 05:42:21 PM »
Dear Subramanian-ji
Dear Srkudai-ji,

It is an important point that I knew both of you understood. Now it is crystal clear.

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« Last Edit: September 01, 2008, 06:01:48 PM by nonduel »
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2008, 06:24:33 PM »
Dear all,
          This is regarding the witnessing consciousness,seer,seen.I am quoting what Bhagawan said about this.
Ego in it's pure form is witnessing in nature.But when the attention in the pure spark of ego is extroverted and looks at a tangent and
says "this" the ego is contaminated and evolves as Ahamkara with separative feeling(Bheda Buddhi)of seer and the seen.
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