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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2010, 10:34:55 AM »
Once Ranga Iyer, a devotee and a class mate of Bhagavan Ramana came to see Him.

He found Bhagavan Ramana joyfully swimming in the tank.  He, like the olden days,
kicked Ranga Iyer, inside the water, when both were simming.  Rangan became curious
about His pranks.  Then he asked:  Venkatarama!  Can the Jnanis marry also?  Bhagavan
Ramana said smilingly: Hm....Hm....  That means:  Why not?  Rangan was nonplussed.
Later, Ranga Iyer's son, composed a poem titled Ramana's Jnana Vivaham, Bhagavan
Ramana's Wedding to the girl Jnana!

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2010, 01:29:33 PM »
In this thread, srkudai mentioned about one verse in Chapter VI.25.
of Srimad Bhagavad Gita.  I stated that this was also one of the verses, chosen by Bhagavan in His Bhagavad Gita Saram.  I checked
up with BGS. It is the Verse 27 in Bhagavan Ramana's condensation.

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« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2010, 10:43:20 PM »
(1) Nisargadatta had said that, being a jnani,  he was not bound by the laws of the world. He often used to insult seekers for no reason.
(2) Licentiousness may reduce depth of jnana in a jnani in short term and he may reincarnate to become a non-jnani in the next birth.
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« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2010, 11:39:04 PM »
Various teachers have theorized & explained variously but so far none has convincingly told how & why this world has appeared. When Self is there, what was the need for it ?
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« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2010, 09:46:00 AM »
Dear soham3,

How and why this world appeared?  For whom?

If it is for a person who sees the world appearing, then all
creation theories have been said by Vedas for such a person.
The Bible says that God created the world in 6 days and He
took rest, sabbath, on the 7th day.  Hindus say that Brahma
created the human beings in the world which was already there
and recovered by Varaha Avatara of Narayana.  Hindus further
say that Vishnu sustains the world and Rudra destroys it.
Okay this is all for who ask how and why the world appeared?
The Why Part of it has been answered by Vedas again, saying
that it is God's sport.  How can a small fly ask a mischievous
boy "Why are you crushing me and tying me with string,
play?"  Shakespeare said: 

"As flies to wanton boys
They* kill us for their sport"

(* Gods)

If you want to be away from this "how why the world appeared"
business, then see Talks No. 230 of Munagala Venkataramaiah:

"The Reality is limitless.  The three fundamentals do not exist
apart from the Absolute Reality. ....For those who still perceive
the three fundamentals (the soul, God and the world appearing),
they are said to be realities.  They are concomitant with the ego."

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« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2010, 11:52:15 PM »
The creation of the world has been called a riddle by some thinkers. Their logic is that man pays price of evolution for millions of births to ultimately realize that all was illusion.
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« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2010, 11:09:22 AM »
Dear soham3,

Yes.  It is like searching for the mind and its manifestations,
going deeper beyond the mind's realm (Heart) and finding that
there is no mind, at the first instance.

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« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2010, 12:32:19 AM »
Krishna did raas leela. Raas leela here means playing with cow-maids. Yet his jnana remained undisturbed & unaffected by the mundane activities. Real jnani is one who does not hesitate to engage & indulge in any activity whatsoever.
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« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2010, 09:07:16 AM »
Dear soham3,

If you could know at what bhavana (state of mind with conviction).
Sri Krishna moved with gopikas (cow-herdesses), this question
will not arise.  Remember, many of these women were married!
Sri Krishna was a form of pure love for Gopikas, beyond physical
pleasures.  When Uddhava comes to Brindavan after many years,
after Krishna had left gopikas, Uddhava tells them about the
Real Nature of Sri Krishna.  Then, do you know what replies gopikas
gave back?

"O Sir, We also know that He is Atma, in our Heart.  He is the Truth
in our Heart.  He has not left anywhere.  But we have to sometimes
cry for His physical absence. Now we are okay.  Please sit on this
special seat.  We shall offer your Pada Puja, worship with abulations
for the feet, we know that you are not different from Krishna!"

Dear soham 3,
 
You know what was Krishna's age, when He was in Brindavan?

He was seven and Radha, the dearest gopika  was seventeen! 

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« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2010, 12:38:09 AM »
It seems Krishna did not have any son from Radha but he had a son by the name Pradyumna from Rukmini. They say he had 180000 children in all from various ladies.
 Medieval saint Meera Bai is said to be incarnation or alter-ego of Radha.
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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2010, 06:44:06 AM »
Dear soham3,

Radha had no issues.
Krishna married 18,000 wives, it is also esoteric.  Bhagavatam
says only 8 wives and only Vallabhacharya says the count as
18,000.  These 18000 business is only 18000 principles, tattvas.
All said and done, Krishna had only one son, Pradyumnan.

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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2010, 11:53:09 PM »
Relation between jnana & sex is yet to be established and understood. There are perverted people who attain jnana and there are life-long celibates who do not attain jnana.
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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #87 on: April 26, 2010, 07:53:34 AM »
Jnana and Sex have no connection, in the sense they are not
directly dependent on one another.  But, sexual abstinence,
if HONESTLY FOLLOWED , will render chitta-shuddhi, or purification
of mind.  Chitta-shuddhi in turn, does not come about only through
sexual abstinence, but through several factors like truthfulness,
moderate eating, moderate sleeping, prayers, good karmas connected
with Temples and Churches etc.,

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« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2010, 12:03:23 AM »
In olden times when a seeker used to approach a rishi for being accepted as a disciple, the rishi would instruct him to come back after practising continence for 1 year. Sex was considered as a number one enemy to the spiritual pursuits.
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« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2010, 04:57:13 PM »
When the disciples came to a Sage, they were already bachelors and so there
was no question of conjugal bliss for them.  Only when the course of Upadesa
was over, the disciples returned home and were getting married.  The Rishi
to ask a disciple to come after 1 year, was to make him contemplate on the
teaching already made. There are stories where one disciple was asked to come
32 years after the first teaching.  He came like that 3 times.

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