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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2010, 02:37:55 PM »
On another occasion, a devotee asked, "Divya Chaksush (divine
sight) is necessary to see the glory of God.  The physical eye is
the ordinary Chakshush."

Maharshi:  Oh!  I see, you want to see million sun-splendour and the rest of it.

Devotee:  Can we not see the glory as million-sun-splendour?

Maharshi:  Can you see the the single sun?  Why do you ask for
millions of suns?

Devotee:  It must be possible to do so by the divine sight.

Maharshi:  Alright.  Find Krishna and the problem is solved.

Devotee:  Krishna is not alive!!!!!

Maharshi:  Is that what you have learnt from the Gita?  Does He
not say that He is eternal?  Of what are you thinking, His body?

Devotee:  He taught others while alive.  Those around Him must
have realized.  I see a similar LIVING GURU.

Maharshi:  Is Gita then useless after He withdrew His body?
Did He speak of His body as Krishna?  'Never was  I not etc.,'

Later Bhagavan Ramana said that the divine sight means Self-
luminosity.  The full word means the Self.

In this dialogue Bhagavan has very logically and mercilessly
removed the common ignorance about the real nature of Sri
Krishna and has clearly indicated Him to be the all-pervading
Self, residing in the Heart.

(Uddhava asked almost at the end of Krishnavatara, to tell about
Him.  Sri Krishna asked:  Do you want to hear from me, the kala-
rupam or Atma rupam.  If you want the kala rupam, this is not
going to remain for long and the stories you already knew.  If you
want to know my Atma rupam, see within the Heart.)

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2010, 05:12:56 PM »
The three yogas, karma, bhakti and jnana (which includes dhyana),
given in the Gita, are meant for seekers of different temperaments,
says Bhagavan Ramana.  Karma Yoga is meant for men of active
tendencies.  It is calculated to eliminate the idea of 'doership'
in the seeker.  Bhakti Yoga is meant for men of powerful emotions.
It dissolves the ego, in the supreme devotion for God.  Jnana Yoga
is menat for men of reason and understanding, capable of Self enquiry.  When the mind wanders, it should be controlled and brought back to the Self.  It eliminates the individual 'I', the
spurious ego.  This is the direct path and all other yogas ultimately
lead to this.

When false ego is understood and hence removed, the Reality
shines in all its glory automatically.  To understand this Truth
and experience it here and now is the purpose of teaching of the
Gita, said Bhagavan Ramana.

In the words of Saint Jnaneswara, "It is easy to make the earth
golden, to create great mountains of desire-yielding jewels, to
fill the seven seas with nectar, but it is difficult to indicate the
secreat of the meaning of the Gita."  Bhagavan Ramana has
definitely done it.  No wonder if it is identified with His main
teaching, "Either know who you are or surrender."

(Source:  All conversations and teachings on the Gita from Prof.
G.V. Kulkarni's article in Sri Ramana Smrti, Sri Ramana Maharshi
Birth Centenary Offering, 1980.  The conversations themselves have been taken by Prof. G.V. Kulkarni from Talks and other books.

Arunachala Siva.       

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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2010, 07:33:52 PM »
If one is agent only, then the act is being done without results in the mind.
It is being done, but without expectation for "me". Or in other words, non-attachment to the action is present, and when the non-attachment to the action is present, naturally, meaning of the result or similar concept is lost automatically.

Why understanding is an important factor? If one understands the EGO [or something], it means, one is no more in that domain. So to understand the 'I AM' means to go beyond it. (not in a space-time perspective).
To tell the truth, it is not even correct to say "one understands something", the correct, factful and actual way to say is "understanding happens".
But the main reason is that understanding happens not in the domain of body-consciousness.

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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2010, 09:59:22 PM »
Take the following sentence :-
" Gayatri chhandasam aham ".
Many people have translated it in english as
" I am gayatri among metres ".
Now, chhandasa  =   chhanda +  sa. This ' sa ' is abbreviation of  sangraha. Sangraha means collection. Chhanda means metre. So chhandasa means collection of metres which is Vedas. So, correct translation is
" I am gayatri ( mantra ) among Vedas ".
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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2010, 01:25:19 AM »
hehe, grlhuna, it is a common factor.
some days ago we laughed with a friend a lot, practically, from nothing (some random thoughts), and some say "what is the matter with you?", "why you laugh?" and so on and then you laugh more because of that..
So, we live in the world, when one needs a great reason to laugh  :)
One must joke very carefully too, because, most of the people take everything very personally even if that is not meant for them.
It is as you have said: seriousness is the capital letter on this plane.

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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2010, 07:38:15 PM »
Dear amiatall,
         :)

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If one is agent only, then the act is being done without results in the mind.
It is being done, but without expectation for "me".

Its not exactly nonattachment to action. Its like a game. In a game, you are just playing with your friends ... you play. Let us say you are playing cricket... you try to hit the ball. You want it to reach the boundary. The result is in mind, the action is performed for the result. But there is fun... Coz you know that it is a play. Why are you able to play it like that ? coz you know that the result cannot "Touch" you. its just for fun!  ;) some people cannot even play for fun!

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Why understanding is an important factor? If one understands the EGO [or something], it means, one is no more in that domain. So to understand the 'I AM' means to go beyond it. (not in a space-time perspective).

Please read this carefully. I am going against standard beliefs and hope you would appreciate it if you read it with openness and do not dismiss it straight away.

The understanding i was speaking of, is not of ego. it is of Self. And it is with "mind" alone! In Mundakopanishad it is clearly stated that this knowledge is grasped with mind alone! Many people have misrepresented it! they have made it complex by saying that is beyond mind and therefore claiming themselves as specially privileged.

This Self Knowledge is gained in mind alone! This is important to understand.
it is like the example of a king who went out to observe his people , dressed like a beggar. later he forgot that he is the king. so, now, if one has to tell him that he is the king ... whom do we tell? the beggar. The mind has to be told. The beggar takes it understands it... by starting to live like a king. and then when he is totally detached from the beggar idea ... he can still play the role of a beggar!  Only the King is not lost as he plays the role of the beggar!

Same here; I'll illustrate it carefully and in a way you will all like ;)
I am Ramana. But I think i am this body/mind. So i am the king but am taking myself as a beggar. now, my Guru tells me : "You are Ramana" [Ramana told that ... already]. So , what do i do ? I start living like Ramana. How does Ramana live? He is detached from the feelings and thoughts of mind. he does not care what happens in mind! and i start living like him. Totally surrendered to "Arunachala" .Just like Ramana. I can even try walking like him ... but it is essentially the attitude that matters.

And at the end of it... Living like Ramana I remain as Ramana ... i need not leave this body and take Ramana's body. i need not start wearing a lion cloth ... Coz I know, as even Ramana did, that this body is not me!

Thats Realization. Truth is told and explained to mind alone. Coz Body does not need it. Self does not care for it! Only mind needs it to get purified.

Love!
Silence

I'less, srkudai,  :D

Yep, i am reading with openness every post  ;)
What i meant, you described very clearly especially here:
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"The understanding i was speaking of, is not of ego. it is of Self. And it is with "mind" alone!"
But well, there is various ways to express, some words may Appear to be different and as words they are but the essence is not.
We can sum up that the Self(which we are and this is a fact) is ever free, really, no attachment was , is or will be ever.

peace

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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2010, 07:39:57 PM »
Bhagavad Gita is like a treasure.  Most of us do not know this
treasure.  A few of us know this treasure but cannot dig out in
a proper place.  Sri Sankara's commentary is the best and he says
that BG teaches only advaita.  Later many many commentators
came and mixed up philosophy with religion and brought out
commentaries as per qualified non dualism, dualism etc.,  Sri
Sankara starts only from Chapter II.  But others have done from
the first chapter and says that even Arjuna's vishada, his delusion
is also a Yoga.  No.  It is the delusion of an ordinary person like
you and me and he feels confused between good and bad and win
and loss in warfare.  This is preparatory.  The churning has just
started.  And the butter slowly appears from Chapter II.

Bhagavan Ramana has said all our activities like bhakti, karma
etc., lead one to atma vichara and then the realization if the
pursuit is continued.

It has become fashion to quote BG for anything and everything.
Bhagavad Gita for time management, Bhagavad Gita for human
resource development etc.,  These are all only peripheral.  The
real purpose is to attain the Atma, which is within.  

It is like a beggar sitting on a huge tin box and begging at the
entrance of the Temple.  He begs throughout his life.  One day,
some one comes and says:  Why do you beg.  Just move and open
the box on which you are sitting.  Thus he funds cubes of gold
within the tin box.

Arunachala Siva.      

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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2010, 09:56:06 PM »
BG says,

" Maharshinaam  Bhrigurham ".

Whether it means that Bhrigu is more advanced than Ramana and other maharshis ?

NB :  It is presumed that Ramana's birth was foreseen at the time of Mahabharat.
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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2010, 11:30:03 PM »
BG says,
Yogaanaam  japa yogo  asmi.
That means the path of repetition of the divine name is the highest.

Elsewhere in sanskrit literature also comes :-
Japaat siddhi, Japaat siddhi, Japaat siddhi.
It comes 3 times to emphasize that japa is sure to give you siddhi.
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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2010, 09:19:52 AM »
Dear soham3,

Sri Krishna said that Bhrigu is the highest Yogi.  What is wrong?
During Arjuna's times, Bhrigu was considered as the highest yogi.
There the matter ends.  I do not think anyone forecast Bhagavan
Ramana's birth during Mahabharata times.  When Krishna says
that Bhrigu is the highest yogi, it was so upto those times.
Each pocket of time, aeon, brings about great yogis and one of
them would be called the greatest.  That is all.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2010, 09:25:10 AM »
Dear soham3,

Yes. Japam, or chanting is also one of the paths and Krishna
says it is the highest.  Fine.  Krishna says in some other place,
Jnani is the most dear to Him.  There are several ways in
adhyatma marga, the path of spirituality.  Any path is okay.
Bhagavan Ramana said that eventually one should come for
atma vichara.  He has given these teachings step by step in
Upadesa Undiyar (Upadesa Saram.)  They used to say -
CONCORDIA DISCORS  - Harmony In Variety.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2010, 09:53:59 PM »

for instance someone will repeat kaam (love) and kaamoham (im love) to merge in heart


Kaam (love) and kaamoham (im love)  connote  sexual  desires  and  so these words  if  repeated  will  take  you  downhill.
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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2010, 11:00:39 PM »
I am sorry to say that majority of gurus are fraudulent. Real guru is inside oneself and so It  is called satguru.  Outer gurus are at mental level. Inner guru is at the Heart level.
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« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2010, 11:18:58 PM »

after my old dogs pass away.. who i love very much


Love them but do not get attached to them otherwise you may be forced to reincarnate which may  consequently retard your spiritual progress.
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Re: Bhagavad & Ramana Gita
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2010, 10:24:41 AM »
Dear grhluna,

What soham3 says is correct.  Love the dogs.  But do not get
attached to them.  If you get attached to them, you will have
a rebirth.  Bhagavan Ramana says:  Even a single vasana will
create re-birth.  So love them without attachment.  Saint Jadabharatha, loved a deer and when he died he was thinking
about it and he had to take a birth again as a deer! 

Let the old dogs die as per their prarabdha.  You finish your
prarabdha and then get liberated.

Arunachala Siva.