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Who am I? and What am I?
« on: March 17, 2010, 06:00:31 AM »
Who am I? நான் யார்
What am I? நான் என்ன  (or What is this 'I'?  ;  I do not know which is better English expression.)

These two phrases looks similar.
But Bhagavan always uses the expression 'Who am I?'.

What is the difference between these two phrases?
Should it be 'Who am I?' ?
Or 'What am I?' is equally good?


Nagaraj

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2010, 09:44:17 AM »
Dear I,

It doesn't really matter, what ever expression you are comfortable with, just carry on with it, eventually, that will lead you to the 'I'

Who am I, or What am I - the underlying essence just shouts the same thing - about this - 'I'

I would say, just don't get stuck in these grammatical expressions... It doesn't really matter in the enquiry of/about 'I'

Whos is the 'I' enquiring about the expression of who am I or what am I. Who am I to whom these thoughts are arising to?

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

Subramanian.R

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2010, 10:43:38 AM »
Who am I? leads to the answers such as, I am the body, mind, five koshas etc.,
Then the counter question comes, Whether you were the body, mind, five koshas
etc., in  deep sleep.  You will reluctantly agree, that I was not.  Then the answer
comes You are Atma.

What am I?  may lead to some other answers, about relationships, characters,
features etc., I am the husband of so and so, father of so and so etc.,  This may
again produce the counter question, whether you were the husband, father etc.,
But Bhagavan Ramana did not say this.  Because, one should enquire by one's
own body, mind, five koshas and not about the relationships.

Arunachala Siva.                 
 

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2010, 11:29:01 AM »
What am I?  may lead to some other answers, about relationships, characters,
features etc., I am the husband of so and so, father of so and so etc.,  This may
again produce the counter question, whether you were the husband, father etc.,
But Bhagavan Ramana did not say this.  Because, one should enquire by one's
own body, mind, five koshas and not about the relationships.
 

I understand.
Thank you, Subramanian.

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2010, 11:53:16 AM »
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Who am I? நான் யார்
What am I? நான் என்ன  (or What is this 'I'?  ;  I do not know which is better English expression.)

These two phrases looks similar.
But Bhagavan always uses the expression 'Who am I?'.

What is the difference between these two phrases?
Should it be 'Who am I?' ?
Or 'What am I?' is equally good?

Dear Akira,

Let me quote Nisargadatta's saying right on the question (from "I Am That"):

"There is no such thing as a person. There are only restrictions and limitations. The sum total of these defines the person. You think you know yourself when you know what you are. But you newer know who you are. The person merely appears to be, like the space within the pot appears to have the shape and volume and smell of the pot. See that you are not what you believe yourself to be. Fight with all your strength at your disposal against the idea that you are nameable and describable. You are not. Refuse to think of yourself in terms of this or that. There is no other way out of misery, which you have created for yourself through blind acceptance without investigation. Suffering is a call for enquiry, all pain needs investigation. Don't be lazy to think."

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 01:33:13 PM »
Let me quote Nisargadatta's saying right on the question (from "I Am That"):

Thank you for your kindness, but I am not interested in Nisargadatta.


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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2010, 05:40:03 PM »
Let me quote Nisargadatta's saying right on the question (from "I Am That"):

Thank you for your kindness, but I am not interested in Nisargadatta.




My observation in this life is that answers come in mysterious ways.
And the answer to your question is beautifully put here by Vladimir.
Who wrote that answer? Well, it does not matter really, for there is only one ocean.
But it is just my opinion.

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2010, 07:41:13 PM »
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Thank you for your kindness, but I am not interested in Nisargadatta.

Dear Akira,

"Water doesn't care whether it is quenching thirst or not".  -- Nisargadatta Maharaj

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2010, 05:22:23 AM »

"Water doesn't care whether it is quenching thirst or not".   -- Nisargadatta Maharaj
Forum rules -
Any guru mentioned on this forum MUST have been dead for at least 50 years.
Please abide by the rules of the forum or you will be excluded from using it.

Nisargadatta (April 17, 1897  – September 8, 1981)


I think this forum rule is to avoid futile arguments on guru.
I do not mind you have faith in Nisargadatta.
So please do not mind that I think Nisargadatta is a fake.

Orginally I did not want to say this, as I know you replied to me out of good heart,
and I do not want to hurt your feeling.
I say this because you quoted from Nisargadatta again,
even though I have already said that I am not interested in him,
and by that you intentionally ignored my will.



« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 01:44:10 PM by Akira »

Subramanian.R

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2010, 12:05:12 PM »
No quarrels please.  There is only one Goal, but paths are many.
Even in Atma Vichara, there are many annexures.   One can follow
what one suits most.  Stray references to other gurus who have
not qualifed as per Admin's rule are okay.

Arunachala Siva.

amiatall

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2010, 09:45:44 PM »
I don't think it is bad to replay whether it concerns the questioner or not, because some people who search various answers may pop in here and find exactly what they were looking for.
This shouldn't be some kind of trouble or maybe i am wrong?
For example someone does not know who X or A or Y is, he just reads the X's or A's quote openly and suddenly it clicks with him...






 

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 03:05:45 PM »
I don't really feel it as a concept like 'who am i?' 'what am i?' or 'what is this 'I'?'

The inquiry is much more subtle & direct than a conceptual question to mull over, its like directly scanning your sense of self to see what it is, it doesn't require any thought, just observation & alertness to look
The scanning is not a thinking process, its just looking and intuitively understanding that what your real essential Self is, is not a phenomena, but Infinity  ;D
So attaining it is not necessary, only abiding as that itself, and not living as the mind

Just like Bhagavans death experience when he was young at his uncles house, he describes is as a contemplation where he sees 'i am not the body but the spirit that transcends the body'
He went on to say this wasn't really a thought out mental process, he wasn't thinking 'i am not the body' he was directly seeing it

« Last Edit: April 07, 2010, 03:07:39 PM by RobertAdam »
'Be the Self, That is all'

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Re: Who am I? and What am I?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 07:02:32 PM »
Dear RobertAdam,

I agree with you.  However, Bhagavan Ramana said to question,
whenever thoughts arise, "For whom are these thoughts."  Then
Who am I?  No doubt, it is essentially for seekers.  But as one
seeker matures, he would just be looking at the Self within,
with attention undiverted.  This needs Sraddha, efforts with faith.

Arunachala Siva.