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Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« on: March 12, 2010, 01:21:56 PM »
Bhagavan: Are you aware of the body in sleep?

Devotee: No.

Bhagavan: Without knowing the body to be there how can the body be said to be in sleep?

Devotee: Because it is still found after waking up.

Bhagavan: The sense of body is a thought; the thought is of the mind, the mind rises after the ‘I-thought’, the ‘I-thought’ is the root thought. If that is held, the other thoughts will disappear. There will then be no body, no mind, not even the ego.

Devotee: What will remain then?

Bhagavan: The Self in its purity.

Source: Talk 244


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Re: Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 03:54:23 PM »



Bhagavan Ramana displayed His sense of body-lessness on many
occasions and incidents in His life. 

1. When hot starch liquid [which in the olden days, people used to
filter from the bronze or brass vessel] once fell on His elbows while
He was filtering it from the rice vessel, He never felt the sensation at all. The fluid had burnt his skin and it became red.  Only after several minutes, when devotees pointed it out, He came to know.

2. When the bees stung His left leg [for His unintentional stamping
on the hornet's bush], He kept quiet and bore with the stinging.
Only when He was limping back, Pazhaniswami knew about the
immensity of the problem, he had to help Him in removing the stings.

3. When His thumb was injured and it came out from the hand, hanging, in the Hill, when He was moving some rock, there was
flood of bleeding and Mother was worried to a great extent. But
He simply put the hanging thumb back in its position, and it became alright, but for the bleeding.

4.  The famous chutney episode is known to everyone.  His fingers
became bruised due to grinding the mixture on the stone pit, only Kunju Swami and a few others knew about it and felt extremely
sad and Kunju Swami refused to take chutney next day.

5. Once when Cow Lakshmi with its rough tongue, licked His forehand, it became red and only others noticed it.

6.  During His terminal illness, when pains and bleeding were tremendous, only onlookers were feeling shocked and He remained almost with no body consciousness.



Arunachala Siva.


           

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Re: Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 05:02:33 PM »



Body-lessness and painlessness do not mean that He had no
body or pain.  But His attitude reaction towards body and pain were less or almost zero.  The onlookers could 'feel the pain' seeing His condition.  If the pain were to be intense, He might have expressed
it in His face.  He did not even tighten His lips. Once when attendant
asked Him whether He had pain, He said 'yes body is paining'.  It
only means He kept the body and pain away from Him.

Once when someone asked when He was looking at Arunachala,
'Swami, are You looking at Arunachala?'  Bhagavan Ramana said:
"I am looking at Atma".  We can neither look at Atma nor understand His state. 



Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 08:07:55 AM »



To express that a Brahma Jnani has no body consciousness, in
terms of pain and pleasure, the poets have always said that
"a Brahma Jnani has no body."  For example, how do you understand
the Verse 22 of Chapter XVIII of Ashtavakra Gita?

There is no joy or sorrow for one who has transcended the worldly
existence.  Ever with a serene mind, he lives like one without a body.

In the original Sanskrit, Ashtavakra has used the word 'videha'
and not 'deha bhavana'.



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Re: Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 08:33:46 AM »


The same idea is expressed  by Muruganar when he says in
Guru Vachaka Kovai, Verse 669:

The creation of God does not bind [the jiva].  Only the creation
of the Jiva, his mind's imaginings, is bondage.  Alas!  While the
father of the son who was dead, rejoiced, the father of living son
wept.  This is the proof.

This is also highlighted in Kaivalya Navaneetam, Verse 2.55, 2.56
and 2.57.



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Re: Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 08:37:25 AM »



Again, Verse 693 of Guru Vachaka Kovai says:

Whatever may be the pain and pleasure bestowed as the fruit
of the respective sinful and virtuous karmas, destroy the power
of your twofold karma through a mind that has merged with the
Supreme Reality, which is your very own Swarupam.



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Re: Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 09:36:33 AM »



Vedanta Choodamani, a Tamizh advaita classic by ThuRaimangalam
Sivaprakasa Swamigal says in Verse 178:

A Jivanmukta for whom both freewill and destiny are absent,
may experience many good and bad things, due to prarabdha.
He may be silent, or he may be talking and may be working.  He
may be giving upadesa.  He may suffer and may enjoy things that
might come to him.  He may have many roles, sometimes without
dress, sometimes with dress.  He may read Sastras, or may not
read them.  He may have union with women or not.  Thus he
may have "disciplines" that transcend the world's understanding.
But for him, all these are only plays - Contemplate on this
and always place your faith in his Brahma Swarupam.       

The story of KaduveLi Siddhar which is quoted by Bhagavan Ramana,
is a typical example for this.
 


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Re: Ramana Maharshi about Sense of body
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 10:12:56 AM »



Guru Vachaka Kovai, Verse 1152:

It is impossible to speak of the greatness of the Jnani through words.
He alone knows the manner of his existence.  He is more vast than
the sky.  He is more firm than a mountain.  Through keen investigation
realize his greatness for yourself by freeing yourself from body-
consciousness. 

Muruganar adds here:

So long as you have the "I am the body" conviction, the Jnani
will also appear as an embodied and bound person.  When that
ignorance has been destroyed, his unbound existence will be
revealed. 

Verse 924 of Guru Vachaka Kovai:

I declare that even when them mind, in the form of thoughts, ceases to function, something remains. That something is the Reality.
Manifesting as time, it operates in a hidden way, abiding always
as the temple of consciousness-bliss.



Arunachala Siva.