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Baba & Ramana
« on: March 07, 2010, 11:16:58 PM »
Satya Sai has commented privately that Ramana is much less than him.
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Re: Baba & Ramana
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 12:07:57 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 01:45:35 AM »
your posts seems to always curl around higher/lower, more/less. etc.
it is really funny.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 08:23:53 AM »
Dear soham3,

Your statement is not true. Sai Baba lived at least 100 years
before Ramana was born. Early 18th century.  No Jnani is higher or lower to another Jnani.  Sai Baba prefered bhakti and faith and considered that the God is up above and he is taking care of everything once you have faith.  Ramana approved bhakti and surrender too but said only Atma Vichara will eventually take you
to deliverance.  Further Ramana said that God within you and not
above in the sky or space.

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 12:07:58 PM »
"The old order changeth, yielding place to new, And God fulfils Himself in many ways, Lest one good custom should corrupt the world"

(King Arthur in Tennyson's Morte D'Arthur).

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2010, 07:55:09 PM »

Your statement is not true. Sai Baba lived at least 100 years
before Ramana was born. Early 18th century. 


I had meant Satya Sai of Puttaparthi and not Shirdi Sai of Maharashtra.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2010, 08:12:07 PM »
It is very unfortunate that this forum dedicated  to Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi  is used to criticize other sages.When we claim that we are the followers of Bhagavan ramana  and his  teachings,is it proper to criticize other sages?.There may be many Sathya Sai baba devotees who are the  members of this forum as well as visitors to this forum  and when they read such comments ,I am sure they  will hurt. Who are we to criticize sages?

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2010, 08:47:29 PM »
Some stray remark may go against some one some time  but generally we praise the sages rather than criticize them.
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Re: Baba & Ramana
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 09:30:25 AM »
Devotion,

whether it is on (true) guru or (false) Guru will never fail,

It is bad practice to criticise Gurus, who are we to criticise? what are we? are we any authority? During Bhagavan Ramana's times, there were many many (fake) swamis, have we ever heard any comment by Ramana that he is fraud, fake etc...?

Its bad practrice.

If a devotee is to be faked by a Guru, that is his biggest teaching by the Guru.

Can there be any NON TEACHING? any where? even being cheated, etc... are the biggest teaching.

We have to restraint from gossips commenting and other various slandering.

Utmost importance is practice of Ahimsa, even more than having Brahma Jnanam. Hurting other by way of mouth is worst possible sin.

We are no body to tell people which is right way and wrong way.

verse 129 from Tirukkural:

"Theeyinal Sutta Pun Ullarum, Aarathe Naavinal Sutta Vadu" which means "The wound caused by fire heals with time, but the wound caused by harsh words will never heal".

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 09:51:31 AM »
Talk 161.

An elderly man from Ananthapur, after hearing the Vedas recited in the hall, stood up and asked:
“It is said that the non-Brahmins should not hear the recital of the Vedas.”

M.: Mind your business. Take care of what you came here for. Why do you waste your time in these matters? “I heard the recital,” you say. “Who is that ‘I’? Without knowing the ‘I’ you are using the word. If its significance be known there will be no doubt. Find the ‘I’ first and you may afterwards speak of other matters.” Continuing, Sri Bhagavan said: “The smritis say something. They are not appropriate now. I will reform the world, rewrite the smritis.” Saying so, people are cutting capers in the world from time immemorial. Such reformers have come and gone; but the ancient smritis still stand. Why waste time over such matters? Let each one mind his business. All will be well.

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

Subramanian.R

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Re: Baba & Ramana
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2010, 10:15:16 AM »
Dear all,

I replied to the post of soham3, because I thought, he meant Shirdi
Sai Baba.  B.V. Narasimhaswami, who was with Ramana and who wrote
Self Realization, went to Shirdi Baba's teachings, because he felt that
Shirdi Baba was more suitable for him because of his disposition towards
bhakti than Vichara.  If soham3 had meant Satya Sai Baba,  I would not
have replied at all.  I consider this man as a person of great siddhic qualities
and there the matter ends.  Further "he is not dead since 50 years" as per
Graham's rule. 

Arunachala Siva.         

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 10:24:12 AM »
Dear I,

It is not unrelated article, its most potent with essense. What happens at Kalki Ashramam, or any other ashramam, happen at the will of the Supreme God hood. Whatever happens in the world, be it (as we perceive it as) good or bad, is happenning at the will of the supreme Self. We should only focus our attention of the very core purpose of being here, here in this e-ashramam. We should live the same spirit as real Ramanashramam.

By denouncing such events or praising such events, what purpose are we serving really? does the 'I' tries to acheive that by giving out rational views, it is saving one person from falling down to fraud? why does the I take the responsibility of all such events?

It is like how Ramana describes like in a temple, some figures which are sculpted to lift the weight of the ceiling in temples, but actually is not! similalrly, we unnecessarily take such burdens, which ultimately, deviate our path from Self Enquiry.

Nothing moves without the will of God.

Moreover, do we have first hand information about anything? Everything we hear is all only 100th hand information, what is true, what is false? what we know? We don't know, and before we say something, are we cent percent sure about the truth of the said information?
When such is not the case? how can we say anything after all?

The best course is to simple be silent and pray, as Ramana says, All will be Well

When everything is happening on HIS will, why should we mind HIS WORK?

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Baba & Ramana
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 10:33:02 AM »
I think the idea behind writing about some swamis, who indulge in
belligerant lust and cheap siddhis - is only to highlight that one
should be more careful about such swamis in future.  The idea is not
to slander and not to use this forum for that purpose. 

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 02:20:28 PM »
Dear I,

The topic seems to deviate. I am just trying to convey that we should not pass comment on other Guru's. It is simple purely skeptical to say something, like you said

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BBC has some very good information about
Satya Sai Baba! They too a video which describes how Satya sai baba is a fraud!
in all probability he is!

Shiridi Sai baba was a real Jnani! He is different!

But Satya Sai Baba ?? The other day he said that he would appear on moon !! why the earth would anyone do such a thing?
why bring out lingams from mouth? what does he want to prove?
why give vibhutis?  

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Satya Sai has commented privately that Ramana is much less than him.

Does not this ammount to commenting?

and

As, I mentioned earlier "And God fulfils Himself in many ways, Lest one good custom should corrupt the world" - Tennyson

Even during the times of Ramana, the Ramanashram manager tried to stop Paul Brunton from writing anything about Ramana and Ashramam as he began to write scandaleous information.

I am not talking about Swamis who are proved fakes. Untill proven guilty, can we say anything about anybody? Again, Satya Sai has so many followers, simply writing some informations ammounting to commenting will hurt the sentiments of so many followers. Its so simple, I am not deviating from this. There are so many who respect Satya Sai as their Guru. There are families of 3 - 4 generations that still follow Satya Sai.

We should restrict from commenting about Gurus who are not proven guilty. Thats all.

Vivekanandas sprit is always welcome - "anything that makes you weak physically, intellectually and spiritually, reject as poison, there is no life in it, it cannot be true .  Truth is strengthening. Truth is purity, truth is all-knowledge "

it is a simple voice from heart.

I think, Grahams initiative of not discussing about Gurus who are not physically dead for 50 years is very wise one.

Salutations to Sri Ramana
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 02:39:40 PM »
Before someone is to be operated, one has to examine whether a surgery is really required or not. just because, by word of mouth by another doctor, who has said that there is a tumor in brain, we can go ahead and operate.

My grandfather was operated wrongly on his left eye instead of his right eye and the doctor was the citys top doctor in his times. What can you say about it?

Again, BBC or any other organisation, I dont believe in any certifications that we can trust upon. You are just blindly talking based on the reports of media and not on your first hand information.

Media, today is only JOKE. and to trust them is dangerous!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta