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Akira

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Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« on: March 04, 2010, 10:43:51 PM »
Do you meditate with eyes open or closed? 
(Here 'meditaion'  is meditation with sitting posture.)

I myself meditate with eyes open, or half-open, which is more comfortable to me so far.

If you know something about pros and cons of both meditation with eyes open and with eyes closed,
please share your ideas.

 

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 08:03:20 AM »
Dear I,

Firstly, we need to introspect and see, which eyes, we are talking about. So long you are able to meditate, thats what counts, it does not matter if your eyes are open or closed or half open or half closed. when you are meditating why bother about the eyes are closed or not, just enquire about the 'I' which is able to cognise whether the eyes are open or closed.

I am reminded about the famous verses from Kena Upanishad, it will be of much use to your introspection:

Not that which the eye can see, but that whereby the eye can see: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the ear can hear, but that whereby the ear can hear: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which speech can illuminate, but that by which speech can be illuminated: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the mind can think, but that whereby the mind can think: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore.

We dont see through our eyes, our eyes are just like the camera, we are that which/who see through the camera or eyes. And really, when we are truly meditating, we, as in 'I' will not be there to see all these, whether eyes are open, ears are hearning, whether there is a body, etc...

Who am 'I' to whom all these doubts are arising to? The doubter and his source have to be enquired upon, Sri Ramana says!

Salutations to Sri Ramana
॥ शांतमात्मनि तिष्ट ॥
Remain quietly in the Self.
~ Vasishta

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 10:04:32 AM »
Dear Akira,

Bhagavan Ramana has told Annamalai Swami that to keep the eyes open is good,
because the five senses would play their mischief but you know what there mischiefs
are and you can control them.  With eyes shut, the mind plays its havoc, on its own
part and also on the part of the five senses too.  It is like throwing a ball on the wall
with from a distance (open eyes).  You would know how the ball rebounds.  If you
throw a ball very close from the wall, the ball would rebound faster and hit you
without your readiness for catching.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 11:33:30 AM »

Bhagavan Ramana has told Annamalai Swami that to keep the eyes open is good,


Thank you for the quote.
Where did you find this?  I want to see it myself.
I have two books on Annamalai Swami, but I do not remember this quote.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2010, 11:40:39 AM by Akira »

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 02:06:26 PM »
Dear Akira,

I have read it in Annamalai Swami's Tamil book, Sri Ramana Ninaivalagal.  The
waves of Ramana reminiscences.  It has no reprint. You may also find it in
Living with Words of Bhagavan - by David Godman.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 11:52:01 PM »

It is like throwing a ball on the wall
with from a distance (open eyes).  You would know how the ball rebounds.  If you
throw a ball very close from the wall, the ball would rebound faster and hit you
without your readiness for catching.


I do not understand this analogy.

Does this mean that you should look far into distance so that you can catch the ball easilyl?
Is looking at a distant place (a montain, distant space etc.,) is better
than looking at a near object (a sacred photo, candlelight in front of you etc.,) ?

Please correct me if I get it wrong.

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 10:09:13 AM »
Dear Akira,

It is something like this.  When you keep the eyes open, you know what your five
senses are doing.  If someone crosses the place where you are seated, you will
know that and try to kill that thought.  If you hear a telephone ring, you will know
and you will kill that thought, let it be attended by someone else.  If you nice
smell of chicken fry comes from the kitchen, you will kill that thought, let me eat
after 1 hour.  It is like throwing back the ball to the wall, when it comes to you
rebounding.  You are aware because it is from a distance that you are throwing it,
the return velocity is anticipated.  When you throw a ball, close to the wall, you
will know it would rebound very quickly.  You have no time.  Similarly, when you
close the eyes, all the smell, noise, sight before you through the closed eyes, will
still continue to come but you will be now only with the mind, which works overtime,
with its concentrated power pertaining to all the five senses.  Thus you are totally
unguarded.  For example you may ask how the eyes will function, when eyes are closed.
The eyes function through the mind.  That is why, a shade appears inside your closed
eyes, when someone crosses your seat.

Arunachala Siva.

Akira

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 11:33:46 AM »
I still do not understand its meaning fully.
I think I have to practise further and try to understand it through experience.

But I understand meditation should be done with eyes open.
This is a great help for sadhana.

Thank you for your explanation.

« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 09:50:13 PM by Akira »

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 03:23:05 PM »
Dear Akira,

I have described the points to the extent of my ability.  Bhagavan
Ramana told this to Annamalai Swami, more briefly but he has understood.  But we are all not Annamalai Swamis.  Anyway
you can practise both ways and you can see the results yourself.
If anyone else like srkudai, could explain to you more elaborately
and convincingly,  I shall be very happy.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2010, 05:34:23 PM »
Akira, just practice and the time will come when you will not be aware whether your eyes are closed or open, only then true search will start, for you have dived within deeply.

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 09:18:46 PM »
Akira, just practice and the time will come when you will not be aware whether your eyes are closed or open, only then true search will start, for you have dived within deeply.

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« Sent to: Akira on: February 27, 2010, 12:18:11 AM »

oh, so what is bad about being 5 year old boy?  Cheesy

bzzzz is a sound, expressed in letters, that is all there is to it.

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Amiatall sent me this personal message above.
I do not understand what he wants to say.

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Amiatall, please do not reply to my messages any more.
It is better to look at yourself before you give instructions to others.

Everybody knows what you wrote in theory.
What counts is what you have done.

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 12:15:42 AM »
i am sorry, but i don't see any relationship between the answer you got through personal messages to personal question and your post here  :-\
if somewhere and somehow i have insulted you then i apologize truly.
i didn't mean to instruct, i just expressed what will happen if practice is continued.
but i guess what really counts is the meaning we give to everything...
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Akira

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 12:14:17 PM »
i am sorry, but i don't see any relationship between the answer you got through personal messages to personal question and your post here  :-\
if somewhere and somehow i have insulted you then i apologize truly.
i didn't mean to instruct, i just expressed what will happen if practice is continued.
but i guess what really counts is the meaning we give to everything...


I am sorry too. Maybe I misunderstood you.
I thought you were insulting me by  ' bzzzzz..... bzzzzzz.... ' .
That is why I asked what it meant.
If that was not your intention, I apologize.


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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 12:42:20 AM »
dear akira
my meditaiton is vajrayana buddhism (tibetan tantric buddhism)

and I can say that my main teacher said that when meditating about hte nature of mind (self) best thing is to meditate with eyes open...because you also will integrate this into your daily life...(its easier to remember who you are during the day)...I do so and it is fine with me...

when I do tantric practices with alot of visualisaiton and mantras then I clos ehte eyes...its more confortable, someitmes I keep them halfopen when it helps to focus..

hope this helped you

matthias

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Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2010, 01:44:56 PM »

best thing is to meditate with eyes open...because you also will integrate this into your daily life.


I understand this very well. It is a good advice. Thank you.